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turnea
I have heard it mentioned repeatedly that US troops are unwanted by the Iraqi people and should be pulled out as soon as possible. Simple topic: Are the US troops largely hated and or unwanted in Iraq?
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Nu Marx
I'm not in Iraq, so I don't know. I suppose it would be safe to assume that there are those Iraqis who wish the U.S. would leave as well as those who are grateful that the U.S. is there. Unless I was actually an Iraqi in Iraq, I can't really say for sure what the majority opinion is.
Billy Jean
IMO, the ones who are complaining about our troops are the guilty Bathe(sp?) party members with blood on their hands. I'm sure the average Iraqi who was terrorized by their government are somewhat happy that we're there and that Saddams regime is gone. BUT, we should make the transition to an Iraqi government as quickly as possible.
GoAmerica
I doubt it is a large scope. The media reports negative comments and anti-American rallies. You have to be there to understand the mood and actually talk with civilians to see what their opinion is with camera.

No one wants saddam back

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"We see our liberation as the start of a friendship with the U.S. and the U.K. that should last a thousand years," says Khalid Kishtaini, one of Iraq's leading novelists. "The U.S. and the U.K. showed that a friend in need is a friend indeed. Nothing can change that."
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Even the radical Shiite cleric Muqtada Sadr now says that "some good" could come out of the coalition's presence in Iraq. "The coalition must help us stabilize the situation," he says. "The healing period that we need would not be possible if we are suddenly left alone."
Amlord
A majority of Iraqis want the US to stay at least 1 year:
Most Iraqis want troops to stay, says poll

That poll is about 3 weeks old.
Ataal
I have to agree. Even in the US, the media only reports murders, fires, and police chases. Rarely will you see a positive story on the news.

So, I tend to think that the trend would continue in Iraq. We see protests of the troops, we see troops being killed. What we don't see(well not anymore) is the civilian population supporting our troops being there.
Julian
Whatever grumbling there is among the bulk of the Iraqi populace about the coalition presence will go away as soon as the water and lights go back on. It seems to me that such practical factors are behind any gripes the ordinary Iraqis may have - they're glad to see the back of Saddam, but at least they had running water with him around.

I think it's a shame that more effort hasn't gone into making sure these basic amenities are put back in place; I'm sure the tiny minority of people shooting at our troops over there (well, yours, anyway; they seem to have left the Brits more or less alone in comparison, but that could just be a function of numbers, although I suspect it has more to do with the long experience the British army has in Northern Ireland) would find it much harder to find places to hide if the wider population had nothing to grumble about.
CruisingRam
Hmmm- very few invaders have ever been welcomed with open arms, regardless of the reasons why. Saddam was a despicable mad man, and had to go eventually yes, and killed more muslims than anyone in recent history that I can think of, but that being said, if you had a family member killed, even accidently, by coalition forces, would you say "gee, it was just a sacrifice I had to make"- or be very angry at the person that killed your family member, especially when they had dropped thousands of pamphlets saying they weren't going to do that?

The bust into poeples homes tactics doesn't help either, though I see the reason.

Tough situation all the way around, I think polls don't tell the tale there, because guys that hate the US aren't going to exactly line up for a poll are they? LOL
GoAmerica
QUOTE(CruisingRam @ Aug 8 2003, 09:48 PM)
Tough situation all the way around, I think polls don't tell the tale there, because guys that hate the US aren't going to exactly line up for a poll are they? LOL

Um...yeah they would

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The bust into poeples homes tactics doesn't help either, though I see the reason.


Yeah. That does kinda turn people off. But they have to understand we are only trying to find weapons (WMD or general weapons) so we won't get shot at. But still, it is kinda annoying to have a camoflauged U.S. troop squad running through your house.
turnea
I think things like this are what feed the misconception that coalition troops are unwanted in Iraq.

QUOTE(Anthony Shadid @ The Washington Post)
One month, said the gaunt, unshaven and angry Khairallah. That's how long he gave the British forces occupying Basra to bring electricity, water and fuel. After that, more riots would ensue. "But not with rocks," he said, nodding his head. "With guns."

An uneasy calm returned to Basra today after two days of unrest -- some of the worst in Iraq since U.S.-led forces overthrew the government of Saddam Hussein on April 9. But no one in this weary southern city -- neither the British officials blamed for its plight, nor residents whose mounting frustration mirrors the spiraling temperatures -- seemed to think that the worst was behind them. ..
Over the weekend, hundreds of people flooded into Basra's streets, taking British soldiers by surprise. Gangs of youths, some shirtless, barricaded roads with burning tires and threw rocks and chunks of concrete at the troops and vehicles thought to be owned by aid organizations and foreigners, in particular Kuwaitis, who are resented for their wealth and widely believed on the streets here to be smuggling oil out of the country.

British troops wearing riot gear fired shots into the air to disperse crowds. Two people were killed Sunday, witnesses and officials said, but some residents said the toll was higher.

British forces began releasing their own fuel reserves to alleviate the shortages, said Maj. Garry Pinchen, a spokesman. Troops today escorted fuel shipments to the city's 10 gas stations, where soldiers rationed gasoline at 25 liters (about 6 1/2 gallons) per car. After long droughts of electricity, power was restored to three hours on, three hours off.

"We have to solve one problem at a time," Pinchen said.

In a country devastated by war, more than a decade of sanctions and years of often willful neglect, Basra's problems are especially acute. British officials blame the loss of electricity -- at one point it was available 20 hours a day -- on looting, an increase in demand because of the hot weather and a breakdown in one of two major power stations. That, in turn, has slowed oil refining and delivery of fuel to gas stations. Backup generators are old and inefficient. Smuggling of fuel has made matters worse, they said.

The oil pipeline from Basra to Nasriyah was recently sabotaged, and silt has blocked half the main canal that brings drinking water to Basra. That has intensified residents' complaints that water, when available, is salty.

In Basra, Worst May Be Ahead
Confusing frustration with shortages (which I might add are protested in what seems to be an unreasonable manner) with some sort of urge to push out "the American occupiers" due to their "Arab culture" (A term just vauge enough to be blamed for everything.)
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GoAmerica
The main reason for the gas shortages are smugglers. I think there was an oil tanker that was stopped a few days ago full of oil and the people arrested because they were smuggling it out to sell on the black market

Oil Smugglers Arrested

That and sabatoge to oil pipelines, including one that occured today
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