This poll is primarily for liberals to answer since they generally support abortion, but anyone with any view is welcome to post, even if none of the above represent you.

Also, if you want abortion banned in cases where it is used as birth control AND partial birth abortions, just answer the "birth control" response and the partial-birth part will be implied.

This topic was started by the following from another thread:

"One issue we are made to feel like monsters for talking about is the legal basis for abortion. I still have yet to meet a single person who can make a remotely logical point justifying such a "right." And I'm not talking about the irrational "my body, my business" creedo they regurgitate (which indicates that cold-blooded, 1st degree murder is OK depending on the victim's age and geography), I mean real logic; something that would withstand at least a second or two of scrutiny."

So, I want top start a debate on this topic that STRICTLY ADHERES to the logic offered to justify abortion's legalization. JUST THE FACTS!! Anyone who rants from the bible, or about Republicans wanting to take everyone's rights away, or Democrats protecting criminals from the death penalty, but not babies, etc. will be disregarded, and it will be assumed they don't have an answer to the reasoning. I'm doing this because I really beleive there is not a single logical argument on the proabortion side, so lets have it. Why should it be legal. And stick to the given point!!

Example:

Logic Given: Woman shouldn't have to deliver a baby from a rape.
Reply: Can you name a single other example in our entire government where someone is given the right to kill someone for reminding them of someone else who caused them pain? Is that a valid basis for legalizing murder. Or from the other route: Since when do women, or anyone for that matter, get do deem someone else's life, "not worth living" and kill them on the assumption that they can't enjoy a life that started from a crime?

I agree that a female should be allowed to choose abortion if it is from a rape, or that the birth can result in female death. Why you may ask, because in the rape thing, the female at no point in time asked to become pregnant, and when dealing with abortion, most of it comes from the lack of intelligence, and or responsibility with sex. Having a child is a heavy burden on a persons life if you want to look at it that way, a person should not be forced to deal with it on the base of they had no choice in the matter. With female death, i don’t think anybody would force such a person to their own death, its a weak paradox, but i don’t think anyone should have to commit suicide to give birth, i guess that’s why you have a c section.

As for the mentally handicapped issue, that is one reason i am pro genetics, as to try and get rid of such a thing in the gene pool to the best of our ability. I don’t agree with it myself, but circumstances are large from an economic standpoint to how would the people be able to care for such a person. Its a nice thought, but some individual that is born with a brain stem and that is it, that is a heavy burden again for some person to carry.

I don’t support abortion after a certain period of time, and even before that i think the cause of why the person wanted an abortion should be investigated. I agree with Planned Parenthood and safe sex, the use of birth control. People are going to have sex, regardless of what politician or cleric says about it. Trying to equip people to care or be responsible is all you can really do. Abortion for some people is something that can be looked upon with such hate and disgust, one reason i have always practiced safe sex through my sex life, but the idea of it is, peoples reasons for such i doubt would ever fit some perfect mold, and i do doubt all people that get an abortion set out to do such.

With that being said i will leave on one last note, if people are going to have sex, and have abortions, should we at least try to not let such individuals find some dark illegal place to commit such an act, would it not be better to regulate and control something like this then making it a black and white issue? I also doubt my stance on it is liberal.

I am also very pro population control, which could associate on why i am pro choice
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"I agree that a female should be allowed to choose abortion if it is from a rape, or that the birth can result in female death. Why you may ask, because in the rape thing, the female at no point in time asked to become pregnant," Nile River

So we can legalize killing people as long as we didn't ever want them to exist?

"and when dealing with abortion, most of it comes from the lack of intelligence, and or responsibility with sex. Having a child is a heavy burden on a persons life.."
Nile River

So if you are stupid or irresponsible enough, the government should give you the power to kill someone else for it? Kids are a burden to everyone who raises them, if that is your basis for supporting abortion, then whats the difference between that and killing a toddler. Does the whole rationale really boil down to age discrimination?

"some individual that is born with a brain stem and that is it, that is a heavy burden again for some person to carry." Nile River

So we get to decide whether someone else would enjoy life enough to get fundamental human rights? I know a girl with only a brain stem, and (as if its even our place to debate the worth of someone else's life) I assure you, she lives a very full life, and her parents wouldn't and shouldn't be able to commit murder to make their lives more convenient. Thats the very definition of 1st degree murder.

"if people are going to have sex, and have abortions, should we at least try to not let such individuals find some dark illegal place to commit such an act, would it not be better to regulate and control something like this.." Nile River

Bank robbery is illegal too. Should we legalize it just because its unsafe for the perp?

"I also doubt my stance on it is liberal." Nile River
Um OK.

"I am also very pro population control, which could associate on why i am pro choice" Nile River

Instead of accomodating the masses, murder them. Very progressive, humanitarian approach.

Aquapub, is this a topic to be debated, or are you just looking for someone's differing views to attack?

The point is abortion is a problem in a lot of ways of stupidity and lack of responsibility, how did you equate that into you should be able to kill a toddler.

Yes, a rape victim should not be forced to have a baby as much as they should not be forced to have the abortion.


You know a person with a brain stem that lives a full life, are you jokiing, all you can do with a brain stem is crap on yourself. You have be lying there you realize that, and once again, it should be a choice, rangeing on the severity on the handicap.

You missed the regulation part on why abortion should be ontrolled, yes people are going to rob banks, but is it the same issue, or just a weak retort.

Yes, we seem to want to allow for the death penelty and prisons full of people, thats a good thing, but dare some person decide that they cant take care of such a child, the may end up there, once again it has become black and white, the idea is chice, and if you did not see, i suppoet heavy regulation and not allowing abortions after a certain period of time. If all you can do is twist words and take things out of context, that is not very creative to say the least

"The point is abortion is a problem in a lot of ways of stupidity and lack of responsibility, how did you equate that into you should be able to kill a toddler." Nile River

I thought you were saying stupid people have accidental pregnancies, so I was saying that doesn't give them the right to kill the baby when its a toddler, so why should it when the baby is younger?


"Yes, a rape victim should not be forced to have a baby as much as they should not be forced to have the abortion." Nile River

On what grounds? You don't get to kill someone everytime you have to suffer.


"You know a person with a brain stem that lives a full life, are you jokiing, all you can do with a brain stem is crap on yourself. You have be lying there you realize that, and once again, it should be a choice, rangeing on the severity on the handicap." Nile River

She lives a full life for a handicapped girl. She is one of my professor's daughters. And what if she didn't? And merely repeating that women should be bestowed with the power to decide the worth of others' lives doesn't validate the point at all. Explain to me how you figure that anyone should have the worth of their life judged by someone else, to determine whether they get to live or not. Thats not very pro CHOICE. Thats pro SPECIAL RIGHTS

"You missed the regulation part on why abortion should be ontrolled," Nile River

You seemed to be arguing that abortion is safer if you regulate it. So I am challenging the logic that we should legalize things that endanger criminals.

"Yes, we seem to want to allow for the death penelty and prisons full of people, thats a good thing, but dare some person decide that they cant take care of such a child, the may end up there, once again it has become black and white, the idea is chice, and if you did not see, i suppoet heavy regulation and not allowing abortions after a certain period of time. If all you can do is twist words and take things out of context, that is not very creative to say the least" Nile River

Um..reread what you just wrote and tell me am I twisting your words, or trying to sift through incoherent points and guessing at what you are trying to say?

CLOSED.

The debate question has nothing to do with the Constitution (we are in the Constitutional debate forum, afterall).

Additionally, you have too many parameters that are simply to hard to understand. There is no way we can fairly moderate this.