drmarcs
Aug 5 2002, 03:47 PM
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August 5, 2002
The Chicago Tribune
JERUSALEM -- By Sunday night, thousands of Palestinians were marching through the center of Gaza City, waving banners and celebrating the second major assault in four days by the militant group Hamas.
Last week, Hamas claimed responsibility for a bombing at Hebrew University that killed seven people, among them five Americans.
Hamas, in a statement Sunday, vowed to continue its attacks until all Jews leave Israel. "We decided to target you everywhere," according to the statement released by the military wing, Ez Eldim Qassam. "In your universities, schools, associations, markets and any place you gather. Your army did not leave any other choice for us."
Does anyone else besides me get disturbed when one group of people celebrate the death of another...
Did american have a parade the day we dropped the bomb on Hirosima, or have a celebration when we begun attacks in Afganastan.
No we did not.
These people (the ones who celebrate) are cockroaches....i think it time to bring out the Raid.
Mike
Aug 6 2002, 05:48 AM
While I do think it is sick to celebrate the death of others, I wonder what celebration will go on when we finally get confirmation that Osama bin Laden has been blown away.
There will be some sort of celebration, don't you think?
Mike
drmarcs
Aug 6 2002, 03:51 PM
while i do think there were be some celebration...(not dancing in the streets) we are fighting against someone who wants to destroy us because of who we are.
We on the other hand only want to preserve our lives and freedom.
the palasinians are cheering not for their independance or safety or victory over the evil, they are cheering for the death of the "jews" a particular people, they dont care if they are women, children, or soldiers...they just want the "jews" to die...
That is why they are evil in that sence...and that is why they are wrong.
JohnProia
Aug 6 2002, 10:07 PM
The PaleSTINKians have no problem killing others, but God forbid you lay a finger on one of theirs. Uggh.
drmarcs
Aug 6 2002, 11:10 PM
And if you think the world looks at it the same way you and i do your wrong.
For most of the world...especially Europe they still see the jews as the scum of the earth...antisematisim is alive as as strong today as it was in the 1940's. the only difference is that now we let the palastinians kill the jews instead of the germans.
JohnProia
Aug 15 2002, 01:10 AM
I'm hoping the Palestinians hit America. Think of their punishment when they F up in that respect.
drmarcs
Aug 15 2002, 02:36 PM
What’s the difference in hitting America in America and killing Americans there? Personally I don’t see any, they were the same target nonetheless. Besides do you think the backwards Palestinians could even get to America? They can’t even get aboard a plane in Israel.
Big_Brother_Watches
Aug 15 2002, 04:47 PM
OPEN YOUR EYES! The Palestinians are celebrating, as the well should be, because they believe that the Jews are invading their land. This has been going back to biblical times. If, let's say, the French invaded the United States and we killed them off you will be DAMN certain that I will dance in the street. But in that statement I am lying, because, I don't believe that land BELONGS to anyone.
Unlike terrorists, the Palestinians want their land back. Terrorists want a government to crumble and fall . . . i.e. 9-11. There will never be peace between the Jewish and the Palestinians because they both believe to be right. America should not step in at all. Yes, they did kill a few americans going to the university . . . . BUT it was a known risk BY THE STUDENTS that they were going to a very unstable part of the world.
drmarcs
Aug 15 2002, 05:30 PM
Explain “Land Back” from reading the Bible, which I have, I seems the Israelites were there for years prior to the Palestinians. Land back would mean they once had it…therefore you should be able to look at an old map and point out Palestine…I’d like to see that. If you use the excuse that they fight to get their land back, why is it that when Clinton and Barrack (don’t know how to spell that) offered Yasser Arafat everything he wanted short of the total evacuations of Israel by the Jews, he said no?
They don’t want the land back, they want the same thing the Nazis wanted…the death and eradication of the Jews. That’s what their leaders say, that’s what their actions say and that’s what the violent protest and burning of apogees says.
Kisov
Aug 15 2002, 06:25 PM
Although I do agree with drmarcs view on the Israeli/Palestine conflict (scary isn't it), I do feel compelled to correct one incorrect statement he had. Despite what drmarcs said, there
was actually a place called Palestine and it was an actual country. I went on the internet and found a good site that lays down (in map form) the transformation of Palestine to Israel:
http://www.passia.org/palestine_facts/MAPS..._facts_MAPS.htmInteresting side note, in most Arab countries the area that we know as Israel is
still labeled as Palestine. They refuse to recognize Israel as a legitimate country. I don't see why they don't recognize it yet. . .This imaginary country of Israel has kicked their collective Arab butts on several occasions to earn there place in the Middle East.
-Kisov
drmarcs
Aug 15 2002, 07:30 PM
I applaud the effort, and the fact that you agree with me, BUT the country of Palestine still has never existed. The web site you found is a Pro-Palestinian state web site. And while the people of the are all say there was one, and their maps show one, there was never a government, military, post office or DMV of the state of Palestine. For example if I thought California could be its own nation, and I got enough people to say that it is its own country, I still wouldn’t be. The entire region was called Palestine, even in the days of the bible. I know I sound like a “see I told you so” type, but the fact still remains that Palestine never existed outside of a concept.
Kisov
Aug 15 2002, 08:16 PM
So what exactly was the name of the area we know as Isreal before it was Isreal, drmarcs?
drmarcs
Aug 15 2002, 11:04 PM
Depends on what Isreal you mean, if you mean the ancient Isreal it was a mixture of names. Mostly refered to as Isreal tho...(at least in the bible) in the pre 1940's Isreal it was Seria, Leannon, Iran, and Egypt.
JohnProia
Aug 16 2002, 02:02 PM
All that I know is that Israel is most likely screwed. There will not be an Israel if the grumbling about Saddam and his weapons is true. Damn, this is going to be a hell of a year.
drmarcs
Aug 16 2002, 02:23 PM
Did you hear that Isreal said they will use Nukes if nessesary, if Saddam attacks them. (unlike last time when we told Isreal to just sit back and take it)
JohnProia
Aug 16 2002, 02:26 PM
Saw that in Haaretz Daily out of Tel Aviv. Good for Israel. Make Iraq a trillion acre sheet of glass.
drmarcs
Aug 16 2002, 02:42 PM
And the price of oil go through the roof…land would be contaminated, and America is sitting her hands when it comes to our oil.
Limpubus
Aug 18 2002, 06:46 PM
QUOTE(drmarcs @ Aug 6 2002, 11:51 AM)
while i do think there were be some celebration...(not dancing in the streets) we are fighting against someone who wants to destroy us because of who we are.
My understanding is that they don't want to kill us for who we are but what we did to them.
Jaime
Aug 18 2002, 07:00 PM
Exactly what did we do other than live our lives as we always have?
It's not our fault that they can't accept capitalism and democracy.
Kisov
Aug 19 2002, 04:13 PM
I agree with Jaime. Doesn't it almost seem like extreme jealousy. They are mad because we live better than them, because we have the freedoms they lack, and because we enjoy the luxuries that they can't.
There are many countries that have similar luxuries, but what I think separates America from the rest is that we seem to feel guilty about it. Maybe that is why we are constantly sending aid to other countries that are hit hard by famine, oppression, natural disasters, etc. When was the last time you heard of the Saudi family, possibly the richest leaders in the world, sending food to Ethiopia.

Although I don't think I complete like the idea of America being the parental figure of the world. I do feel proud to be a citizen of a country that sees the big picture, that knows that by helping others we ultimately will help ourselves. I view most other countries as extremely self-centered, they seem more like spoiled children that are given everything they need and ultimately grow to hate their doting parents.
-Kisov
drmarcs
Aug 19 2002, 05:00 PM
I read a book called “What’s so Great About America” that laid out why these countries hate us. It is written by an immigrant from India. One story in the book is how this immigrants friend wanted to come to America. The author asked him why? Why leave you friends family and what you know for a strange land. The immigrants response was that only in America are the poor people fat.
Americas poor and better off then the average citizen of most countries. Therefore they hate us, yet our teachers, and civil libertarians are the ones saying we need to be more like them, and that unless we do become more like them we are hateful bigots.
JohnProia
Aug 19 2002, 10:07 PM
I read the book, as well, DrMarcs. Excellent piece, and not something you'd expect from an immigrant. Of course, Dinesh D'Souza is the immigrant of yesteryear who actually WORKS for a living rather than...well, I'll leave that alone for another day.
Mike
Aug 20 2002, 03:24 AM
I'd like to add in that we've acomplished in a little over 225 years what the rest of the world couldn't accomplish.
They don't like that.
Also:
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My understanding is that they don't want to kill us for who we are but what we did to them.
When it comes down to it, we didn't do much at all to them in comparision to Europe, especially England. Why haven't the English been terrorized?
Mike
Kisov
Aug 20 2002, 04:02 PM
Mike, I think the IRA has a monopoly on the terrorism market over in England. Those militant Irish would kick the arabs collective butt if they tried to muscle in on their territory.
-Kisov
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