Full Version: Did Stalin win WW2 for the US?
God forbid. Newbie arguing with an administrator is utter nonsense. 
And I agree it was not intended to be pleasant.
Back to topic.
Stalin did not, it was a Russian infantry man Vanya who did, despite the Soviet butchers, aka generals, outstanding efforts. Maybe not so very much on the Pacific, but Soviet European front effort exceeded anything that allies did.
The importance of lend lease is usually largely overcredited (Britain was issued 30bn, USSR just under 10) with the victory on the European front. Issued =/= received, one only has to remember the infamous caravan PQ13.
But nevertheless it would be wrong to underestimate lend lease's importance. Products (10mn pairs of boots; 100000 machine guns, 7000 aircraft, over 500 ships) and materials (2,5mn tons of steel; 0,25mn tons of Aluminium) received freed Soviet manufacturing capacities. By the way, I wonder how Mr. Engineer will like the fact that Soviet ace, Alexander Pokryshkin, fought in Aerocobra plane?
Also Lend lease deliveries were made during the crucial period of second half of 1942.
All of the above is more than enough to credit Allies with important economic help.
And I agree it was not intended to be pleasant.
Back to topic.
Stalin did not, it was a Russian infantry man Vanya who did, despite the Soviet butchers, aka generals, outstanding efforts. Maybe not so very much on the Pacific, but Soviet European front effort exceeded anything that allies did.
The importance of lend lease is usually largely overcredited (Britain was issued 30bn, USSR just under 10) with the victory on the European front. Issued =/= received, one only has to remember the infamous caravan PQ13.
But nevertheless it would be wrong to underestimate lend lease's importance. Products (10mn pairs of boots; 100000 machine guns, 7000 aircraft, over 500 ships) and materials (2,5mn tons of steel; 0,25mn tons of Aluminium) received freed Soviet manufacturing capacities. By the way, I wonder how Mr. Engineer will like the fact that Soviet ace, Alexander Pokryshkin, fought in Aerocobra plane?
Also Lend lease deliveries were made during the crucial period of second half of 1942.
All of the above is more than enough to credit Allies with important economic help.
Yes, Stalin won the war. Germany can beat Russia if Russia falls apart politically. By murdering everyone with an ounce of rebellion in them between 1934 and 1938, including crucial military leaders, Stalin insured that there would be no one to shove him aside, the way Nicholas II has been shoved aside.
The Russian Empire held together under blows that would brought 10 Nicholas' down, and he was able to create a scenario in which the Soviet people knew that if they did fight and die, it would not be for a hopeless cause. The nation rallied to him and that is one of the most glorious moments in the history of the peoples of that region, because it wasn't only the Russians, but eveyone in that region.
Disintegration is Russia's greatest enemy. Stalin had defeated it before the war.
If Hitler had conquered Russia and harnessed its food resources, mineral wealth, its oil and even its considerable brain power (in those days)--if he had linked up with the Japanese in the East--if he had circumvented the Anglo-American control of the Atlantic to gain access to the world through Russias far flung borders, I do not see how Britain and the United States could have won the war. America might not have been defeated and occupied by the Germans. But I don't see how it could not have won
The Russian Empire held together under blows that would brought 10 Nicholas' down, and he was able to create a scenario in which the Soviet people knew that if they did fight and die, it would not be for a hopeless cause. The nation rallied to him and that is one of the most glorious moments in the history of the peoples of that region, because it wasn't only the Russians, but eveyone in that region.
Disintegration is Russia's greatest enemy. Stalin had defeated it before the war.
If Hitler had conquered Russia and harnessed its food resources, mineral wealth, its oil and even its considerable brain power (in those days)--if he had linked up with the Japanese in the East--if he had circumvented the Anglo-American control of the Atlantic to gain access to the world through Russias far flung borders, I do not see how Britain and the United States could have won the war. America might not have been defeated and occupied by the Germans. But I don't see how it could not have won
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