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Afghan peace mission expanded
Oh, geee thanks. It only took the UN what, two years...
..and yet people complain about Iraq...
So here we go.
Has rebuilding in Afghanistan under the UN seen a reasonable rate of progress?
Why?
Is incompetence to blame?
How does it compare to coalition-run rebuilding in Iraq? (sense of perspective given the differing time frames, please.)
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The United Nations Security Council has unanimously adopted a resolution enabling international peacekeepers to operate beyond the Afghan capital Kabul...
It wants to start by sending German troops to the northern city of Kunduz.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai has long demanded that the force's mandate be expanded, in an effort to reassert his control beyond Kabul.
Remnants of the former Taleban regime carry out almost daily attacks in some provincial areas.
In August, Nato took command of the 5,300-strong international force in Afghanistan, Isaf.
Its troops have been confined to Kabul since they were sent to Afghanistan after US-led troops ousted the Taleban nearly two years ago.
Security has been steadily deteriorating in the provinces in recent months.
It wants to start by sending German troops to the northern city of Kunduz.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai has long demanded that the force's mandate be expanded, in an effort to reassert his control beyond Kabul.
Remnants of the former Taleban regime carry out almost daily attacks in some provincial areas.
In August, Nato took command of the 5,300-strong international force in Afghanistan, Isaf.
Its troops have been confined to Kabul since they were sent to Afghanistan after US-led troops ousted the Taleban nearly two years ago.
Security has been steadily deteriorating in the provinces in recent months.
Afghan peace mission expanded
Oh, geee thanks. It only took the UN what, two years...
..and yet people complain about Iraq...
So here we go.
Has rebuilding in Afghanistan under the UN seen a reasonable rate of progress?
Why?
Is incompetence to blame?
How does it compare to coalition-run rebuilding in Iraq? (sense of perspective given the differing time frames, please.)
To me this has everything to do with Iraq and the current world situation. More to the point it seems the rifts that now exist in the world are only getting wider, i don’t know who you can blame for it, but i guess that the u.n should do nothing really, for it would all seem bad, or a way to try and make the u.s look better to some people. The funny part in the u.n decided to go into Afghanistan to aid one of its members that was attacked, the u.s. Now after some time it seems that if the u.n continues there they will be bad guys 
i just don’t get it. The Taliban and Bin Ladens groups attacked that u.s, with current u.s attitude the u.n might as well just pull out of the place all together.
i just don’t get it. The Taliban and Bin Ladens groups attacked that u.s, with current u.s attitude the u.n might as well just pull out of the place all together.
It's about time. The UN has been slow in passing such a resolution so that the warlords can be permanently disarmed and Karzi can legitimally run the whole country and not just the capital. Also, it would put the Taliban closer to extinction because with the expansion of peacekeepers, they will have less areas to hide.
Maybe Germany should start in Kandahar where there has been an increase in violence by the Taliban and other nations should spread to higher-prone areas
Just hope they don't screw this up.
Nileriver:
if the UN pulled out of Afghanistan completley, the Muslim world would protest because the UN would be abandoning them in Afghanistan and that would not make the UN look so good to muslims. They would see the UN as an impotent organization like some Americans see them already
Maybe Germany should start in Kandahar where there has been an increase in violence by the Taliban and other nations should spread to higher-prone areas
Just hope they don't screw this up.
Nileriver:
if the UN pulled out of Afghanistan completley, the Muslim world would protest because the UN would be abandoning them in Afghanistan and that would not make the UN look so good to muslims. They would see the UN as an impotent organization like some Americans see them already
What good is the UN if it fails? How many times has the UN gotten involved with a little too little - a little too late?
The UN is in desperate need of restructuring, reviewing their mission statement as THEE Peacekeeper of the world, and for God's sake get their collective blankstogether and ACT on Human Rights violations instead of just giving it lip-service. this may be a bit off topic but WHY is CHINA given the status its given within this international peace/human rights initiative? What exactly is "UNITED" about the UN? They are NOT united on how to deal with Human Rights violations, not United as to how to deal with mass genocide, WMD, they are not even on the same page as to the definition of Brutal DICTATORSHIP.
useless. ugh
As to Afghanistan... too little too late yet again. hot air, and plenty of it.
The UN is in desperate need of restructuring, reviewing their mission statement as THEE Peacekeeper of the world, and for God's sake get their collective blankstogether and ACT on Human Rights violations instead of just giving it lip-service. this may be a bit off topic but WHY is CHINA given the status its given within this international peace/human rights initiative? What exactly is "UNITED" about the UN? They are NOT united on how to deal with Human Rights violations, not United as to how to deal with mass genocide, WMD, they are not even on the same page as to the definition of Brutal DICTATORSHIP.
useless. ughAs to Afghanistan... too little too late yet again. hot air, and plenty of it.
I will try to explain that the u.n is not a nation with an army, we are talking about an agreed upon approach by a collective of nations that agree to play by the rules of the u.n. With so many different world views or cultures, societies and nations that work with each other in and outside of the u.n. Its not like just one nation can say hey, lets go here or there, but works by a form of vote system that i think we all know about now. The u.n seems to be the only rational approach to the worlds problems, its either that or other nations get into micro versions of such that probably wont last in time, something i think we all know about.
If the u.n goes into say Afghanistan, its army is composed of various soldiers that then get maybe blue helmets and patches based on the type of the mission. there is no generic u.n force or nation. Then the various nations that go along with an u.n action have to agree on just how and what the various parts of the mission will be handled, such as driving instructions and such for afghan women being handled by Germany. Then of course you have to deal with the price tag and who will pay what and for how long. Overall the u.n is not a simple body of the same mind or one overall leader.
The various nations in the operation in Afghanistan were not attacked by the people they are now trying to defeat, change and or capture. They are there because they work with the u.n, and the u.s was a member of the u.n. Now people may bash the u.n for taking time to change its operations in Afghanistan, but again with current u.s attitude towards the u.n, the fiasco that is iraq, and just general relations or the current u.s administration and the organization that is the u.n, i dont really see why the u.n participation nations would even remain there, it would be like asking for such terrorists to target them, when the terrorists themselves are only angry at America. It is also funny that America plays double standards with the u.n, such as some nations can break u.n resolutions or mandates and some cant, and the u.s will handle it how it wants to. None the less the u.n again tries to keep various nations on some kind of a level in which the world is not completely fragmented and or living in shadows amongst each other.
If the u.n goes into say Afghanistan, its army is composed of various soldiers that then get maybe blue helmets and patches based on the type of the mission. there is no generic u.n force or nation. Then the various nations that go along with an u.n action have to agree on just how and what the various parts of the mission will be handled, such as driving instructions and such for afghan women being handled by Germany. Then of course you have to deal with the price tag and who will pay what and for how long. Overall the u.n is not a simple body of the same mind or one overall leader.
The various nations in the operation in Afghanistan were not attacked by the people they are now trying to defeat, change and or capture. They are there because they work with the u.n, and the u.s was a member of the u.n. Now people may bash the u.n for taking time to change its operations in Afghanistan, but again with current u.s attitude towards the u.n, the fiasco that is iraq, and just general relations or the current u.s administration and the organization that is the u.n, i dont really see why the u.n participation nations would even remain there, it would be like asking for such terrorists to target them, when the terrorists themselves are only angry at America. It is also funny that America plays double standards with the u.n, such as some nations can break u.n resolutions or mandates and some cant, and the u.s will handle it how it wants to. None the less the u.n again tries to keep various nations on some kind of a level in which the world is not completely fragmented and or living in shadows amongst each other.
Actually, i think most of the forces in Afghanistan are made up of NATO's ISAF force. NATO has found a new calling and it is in Afghanistan. Germany was just looking for UN permission to go ahead to spread out and NATO was waiting as well
Anyway, regardless who is commanding the forces in Afghanistan, the UN ahs an obligation to participate in the war on terror in Afghanistan because a member of the UN was attacked, the US, and i believe there is a UN thing that says they must help (or something to that effect), just like NATO's article 5.
Anyway, regardless who is commanding the forces in Afghanistan, the UN ahs an obligation to participate in the war on terror in Afghanistan because a member of the UN was attacked, the US, and i believe there is a UN thing that says they must help (or something to that effect), just like NATO's article 5.
Another News Bulletin:
New Afghan Constitution Juggles Koran and Democracy
Care to compare this to progress in mainly U.S. run Iraq?
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After months of tortuous discussion, consultations around the country and thousands of comments sent in by the public, a commission of lawyers and experts has drawn up a draft constitution to put before the Afghan people...
Last touches are still being made to the proposed constitution at the insistence of President Hamid Karzai, who has followed the drafting closely. The final version will be published within days, his aides said on Saturday. That should allow six weeks or more for public discussion before 500 delegates convene for a constitutional loya jirga, or grand assembly, that is scheduled to convene here in Kabul, the Afghan capital, on Dec. 10 to debate and approve a final version...
The constitution will set the parameters for national elections next summer. The commissioners said the draft called for a directly elected president, supported by a vice president and a prime minister, a strong central government rather than a provincial federation, a two-chamber parliament with significant representation for women and an independent judiciary. ...
A new constitution will be an important milestone. Since the fall of the Taliban, Afghanistan has been ruled under the United Nations-sponsored Bonn accords of December 2001. Those accords laid out a plan for a new constitution and national elections within two and a half years.
Last touches are still being made to the proposed constitution at the insistence of President Hamid Karzai, who has followed the drafting closely. The final version will be published within days, his aides said on Saturday. That should allow six weeks or more for public discussion before 500 delegates convene for a constitutional loya jirga, or grand assembly, that is scheduled to convene here in Kabul, the Afghan capital, on Dec. 10 to debate and approve a final version...
The constitution will set the parameters for national elections next summer. The commissioners said the draft called for a directly elected president, supported by a vice president and a prime minister, a strong central government rather than a provincial federation, a two-chamber parliament with significant representation for women and an independent judiciary. ...
A new constitution will be an important milestone. Since the fall of the Taliban, Afghanistan has been ruled under the United Nations-sponsored Bonn accords of December 2001. Those accords laid out a plan for a new constitution and national elections within two and a half years.
New Afghan Constitution Juggles Koran and Democracy
Care to compare this to progress in mainly U.S. run Iraq?
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