Northwestern University examined US Census data to prepare "Immigrant Workers and the Great American Job Machine." They found that new immigrants accounted for 50% of the growth in the nation's labor force over the 1990-2001 period. They note that "in the absence of new foreign immigration, the Northeast region's (including New York) labor force would have declined by 1.3 million over 11 years. "

The article also said that most immigrants have exhibited an extraordinary work ethic and that currently and for the foreseeable future the US economy will be heavily reliant on immigration for new workers, particularly among males and younger people. The US is not generating the young workers to replace those who are retiring.

"The proper balance regarding immigration is to tighten up illegal immigration for security purposes while vastly expanding opportunities for legal immigration. We simply cannot afford to limit immigration."

MT

In its current state immigration will be the death of this country.

Take a look at Calfornia, they are in deep trouble in all aspects and the population there will double in the next 50 or so years, all the while the main taxpayers (whites and blacks) are leaving the state.
It will not be long before California will be nothing more than a third world state and could very well bring the rest of the country down along with it.

Multiculteralism is a sham and has done more to destroy the very fiber and unique American culture than anything else to come along.....All cultures are NOT equal.
It is not my job to adapt to you, it is your job to adapt to the US and our culture.
You want to come here? Just accept that this is a historically Christian nation and we have our own laws, rules, customs, and holidays and yours should be left behind to where you came from.
Thanks to multiculteralism our unique American culture is vanishing and once our border is gone, our culture is gone, and soon after our languge is gone guess what happens?????

We cease being a country.

Of course, thats the way the illiberals want it though....One miserable world, under socialism.

Illegals need to be rounded up and thrown out and the military needs to defend our border and keep them out.
Oh, and I know it sounds great to say but they do NOT all come here to work.....approx 25% of illegal aliens are in PRISON.
The remaining are bankrupting our hospitals, our schools and a host of other social services and they do not put back into the system what they are taking out of it, not even close by any measure.....

Time to get serious about this issue before its too late.

FYI, you are talking to an immigrant. One who came here and assimilated and supports himself and is not committing crime or spreading diseases.

What is your problem Power? ILLIBERALS?? want to live in one miserable world under socialism? Immigrants are all committing crimes and spreading diseases?

Well anyway, here's another slant on the subject. I don't agree with most of it, but I bet it's right up your alley, Power.

"Repressing White Americans Thru Rampant Immigration-- Census Data Shows Whites Will Be A Minority by 2050." For over 3 1/2 decades our government has been practicing reverse racism while preaching tolerance.

The results are great for the ruling American Plutocrats and their cheap imported labor."

I do believe that immigrants will drive down the hourly wages of laborers. And if the Concervatives are successful in their campaign against unions, workers will have nowhere to turn.

I cannot understand the greed of Concervatives. When people are earning a decent wage everyone lives better and it is better for the country.

MT

It is easy to make wild, unsubstantiated claims. Here's one: 98% of assimilated immigrants who claim they are not committing crime or spreading disease are actually guilty of criminal prejudice and freely spread diseased thoughts like a plague. I just made that up and have nothing to support it.

Is there anything to support any of the following statements or were they just made up as well?










Sources supporting the above statements would be much appreciated, Powerboss - though, apart from your "statistics" regarding illegal aliens, it should probably been done in new threads.

(As "illiberal" is actually the opposite of "liberal", I can maybe accept the claim that conservatives want "one miserable world" - though I would've thought "under fascism" nearer the mark than "under socialism".)

A FROSINA INFORMATION NETWORK ADVISORY / IN 912
Report Shows Immigrants Boost Economy
A recently released report titled "A Fiscal Portrait of the Newest Americans," published by the National Immigration Forum and the Cato Institute, shows that immigrants are a boon for the American economy, not a hinderance. Written by Stephen Moore, an economist at the Cato Institute, the study explores the fiscal impact of the immigrants on the United States.
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From ACLU

One of the most well-entrenched myths about immigrants is that they steal jobs from American workers, collect an excess of government benefits and in general represent a drain on the economy. According to an August 1993 Field Poll of Californians, 39 percent of respondents agreed that illegal immigrants are "taking jobs away from Californians." But these are all myths that must be refuted to create a more hospitable environment for immigrants' rights.

Contrary to popular belief, immigrants do not take away jobs from American workers. Instead, they create new jobs by forming new businesses, spending their incomes on American goods and services, paying taxes and raising the productivity of U.S. businesses. Immigrants are good for the economy, not the other way around.

A U.S. Department of Labor study prepared by the Bush Administration noted that the perception that immigrants take jobs away from American workers is "the most persistent fallacy about immigration in popular thought" because it is based on the mistaken assumption that there is only a fixed number of jobs in the economy.
Experts note that immigrants are blamed for unemployment because Americans can see the jobs immigrants fill but not the jobs they create through productivity, capital formation and demand for goods and services.
Immigrants pay more than $90 billion in taxes every year and receive only $5 billion in welfare. Without their contributions to the public treasury, the economy would suffer enormous losses.

MT

Illiberal=Illogical.



The liberal simply is to create a system where everyone is financially equal and the state pays for many services.

The problem is that it has never really worked successfully. Its totally illogical.
State programs are disasterous and by punishing the producers you get less production and incentive.....its all pretty basic....the end result is equal misery...see the Soviet Union.

Wertz....Surely you didnt expect me to make a mega huge long post to substanciate my claims did you?
Well now, since you've asked....Lets do this one by one, shall we.

Take a look at Calfornia, they are in deep trouble in all aspects the main taxpayers (whites and blacks) are leaving the state.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-calj...ines%2Dbusiness

Patrick J Buchanan: To live and die in L.A.

This is just for starters, would you like more?



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Multiculteralism is a sham and has done more to destroy the very fiber and unique American culture than anything else to come along


Are you kidding? Do I even need to bother? Isnt it clear?
Racial division and tension is just as bad, if not worse, as it was 40 years ago.

Blacks are being encouraged to hold thier own graduations and bueaty pagents, among other things.
We are now being taught about Kwanzaa, a phoney holiday invented in the 60's, and are being told to celebrate it....What does it have to do with America or American Culture?

Why would we want to take down memorials to American heroes and replace them with heroes of Mexico?

We have entire sections of cities where nobody can speak a word of english.....We are creating nations inside of our nation, it is not bringing people together, in fact it is doing the exact opposite.

Powerboss - FYI, The Rules. You don't need to post the entire articles, just the link to the article and if necessary relevant quotes that back up your argument.

this is a historically Christian nation

I don't know what to tell you Wertz....
Are you doubting this?
Are you kidding?
It certainly isn't muslim.

I believe it is around 90% Christian.
Certainly the founders, although some were diests and didnt practice religion, most were christian men and our law is based on Christian doctrine.
That is indisputable.


our unique American culture is vanishing


after our languge is gone guess what happens????? We cease being a country


Do you dispute this?

Again, I've read plenty of articles where photo's of the founders are being taken down, as they were just rich, white, slave owners.
Same thing with school names.
Monuments with American hero's are being removed and replaced with Mexican hero's.
Its endless.......I cannot believe you are disputing this...Either you don't read much news or you are just in denial of what is happening all around you.

Christmas is now a dirty word....we must now celebrate the "holidays". In fact, some areas are eliminating it all together...


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Ah, you got me....I cannot find my source for this one...

Looks like Im just a bold faced liar just making stuff up right?

On a side note, but somewhat on the same topic, Are you aware of the CUSA scandal?

The remaining are bankrupting our hospitals, our schools and a host of other social services



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There you go Wertz......
It wasnt really hard or difficult and most of that stuff just scratches the surface and backs up my contentions.

Again, you either don't keep up on things and don't read, or you are intentionally playing ignorant.


Your turn....
Prove to me Im wrong.
Show me the glory and success in multiculteralism (And Im not talking about Mexican food or Cuban Music).


Mods et al, Please forgive me in posting entire articles but I felt it was necessary as he made a direct challenge to me, and accused me of stifling debate, not wanting debate, and called me a Neandrathol, among other things, in another thread for simply referring to Al Gore as Algore.

As suspected, Powerboss, every one of your claims is unsubstantiated.

The best you can come up with to justify "deep trouble in all aspects" is minor trouble with one aspect? The article does rather clearly makes the following statement: "To be sure, the rise in unemployment is mild compared with what occurred during previous downturns." And even at that - oh, my God - oh, my God - California's 0.4% above the national average? Deep trouble, indeed. Sheesh.

Okay to make a point about the state of California, you quote an 800-word column on Los Angeles alone (by noted human rights campaigner, Pat Buchanan, of all people) in which this factiod is mentioned in one sentence? I should point out to you that this is an opinion piece and that Mr. Buchanan typically provides nothing to support his statement ("as the poor flood into California from Mexico and Central America, and middle-class Americans move out") either. Sorry, Powerboss, but sixteen words in a ridiculously partisan column by a known racist is hardly a compelling argument.

You don't even try with this one. More invective still does not equate to a shred of evidence to back up your specious claims. In fact, it just gives you more unfounded statements to try to justify. Please don't bother – I can see you're incapable. If you had another prejudiced opinion piece to back this argument up, I'm sure you would already have posted it. And it would've been just as unconvincing as your last one.

Virtually no response to this – except, of course, more opinion. The religious preferences of the population are irrelevant; our law is not based on Christian doctrine, it is based on Enlightenment ideals; your statements are highly, highly disputable - in fact they are just plain wrong. This has been addressed at length elsewhere on this site. Do a search.

Right. Nothing at all on either of these claims. You post one article about that "unique" American phenomenon, Christmas, and mention "plenty of articles" regarding our Founders being slaveowners - without citing a single one. Nothing about American culture at all – nothing about language at all, nothing about the horror of "what happens?????" at all. Good job. You've changed the hearts and minds of the nation with that compelling bit of research.

Well, finally a bit of honesty: "Ah, you got me... I cannot find my source for this one... Looks like Im just a bold faced liar just making stuff up right?" Yes, Powerboss, that's exactly what it looks like. Thanks.

For your last bit of "argument", you produce a lengthy article which indicates that illegal immigrants have cost four border states exactly as much as we just paid Canada's Magellan Aerospace Corp to build components for General Electric's J85 engine. Ooooh. I do note that you say nothing whatsoever about "bankruptcy" or "schools" or "other services" – but, hey, you did manage to find an article with the word "hospital" in it.


Posting entire articles is never necessary, Powerboss, and there is no justification for it. I assure you that, despite my occasional liberal leanings, I can click on a hyperlink as easily as anyone else. Your charge that I accused you of "stifling debate, not wanting debate, and called [you] a Neandrathol" is, at best, a distortion. And, by the way, the word is spelled "Neanderthal". I do not comment.