THEANDYMAN777
Nov 3 2003, 05:47 AM
Are Vaccinatons Necessary and are they helping us or hurting us. I think that they are killing us. I also think that is is all about the money!!!!

The polio vaccine is grown on MONKEY KIDNEY CELLS! Not only does this vaccine contain toxic substances such as; formaldehyde, mercury, aluminum, and animal D.N.A., but it also may contain a monkey virus called Simian Virus 40 (SV 40).
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has set “Safe” levels of mercury. When a baby is born and they receive their first Hepatitis B, shot it contains 30 times the safe level. At four months old when infants receive their next dose of shots which contains 60 times the safe level! At six months the level is 78 times the safe level. The mercury in vaccines is the form of “thimerosal” which is 50 times more toxic than plain old mercury. Its a wonder why "SIDS" is common. The pediatric brain cancer rate in the U.S. has been climbing at a rate of approximately 3% per year for the last four decades.
Corvus
Nov 3 2003, 05:55 AM
Killing us? How? From what I understand about most vaccinations, they're an impotent version of viruses made so the immune system can develop some familiarity to combat the disease or poison. I haven't heard of anyone actually failing to overcome the vaccine.
A quick search on the internet reveals a lot of pages that state vaccines have harmful ingredients. That's the point, really. heh.
Victoria Silverwolf
Nov 4 2003, 05:52 AM
It would be possible to spend the rest of one's life doing research as to the risk and benefits of vaccinations, and we could spend the rest of this thread listing pro-vaccination websites and anti-vaccination websites. Let me get down to the bottom line.
Vaccination is never perfectly safe. My best judgment is that the risk of serious side effects is
extremely low. It is, of course, possible to find horror stories of infants and children dying from vaccination. It is also possible to find horror stories of infants and children being killed by being struck by lightning. In both cases, these are extraordinarily rare events. The devastating diseases prevented by vaccines are much more serious risks.
Vaccination is one of humanity's great success stories. Smallpox eliminated. Polio reduced from a very common disease to a very rare disease. The debilitating effects of measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, and other diseases greatly diminished.
I would
strongly suggest that all infants and children who are not at an increased risk of adverse reactions to vaccination obtain all the standard immunizations. I don't know if you accept the Centers For Disease Control as an informed and unbiased source -- I certainly do -- but here is their opinion on the risks and benefits of vaccination:
Six Common Misconceptions About Vaccination
THEANDYMAN777
Nov 11 2003, 01:50 AM
First of all you say that you could spend a lifetime doing research on the pro-vaccination and anti-vaccination websites. This is true. However, you fail to mention that the pro-vaccination websites are all backed by individuals who have financial ties to the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture vaccines. Isn’t is strange that when you sit down to watch television almost all of the commercials are pharmaceutical companies. They are the only ones with so much money!!! You also quote the Centers for Disease Control “ as an informed and unbiased source”. This statement is far from true. In fact, recently the Congressional Committee Examining Conflicts of Interest with Vaccines came to this conclusion… “The Committee’s investigation has determined that conflict of interest rules employed by the FDA and the CDC have been weak, enforcement has been lax, and committee members with substantial ties to pharmaceutical companies have been given waivers to participate in committee proceedings.” The chairman of the CDC’s advisory committee until recently owned 600 shares of stock in Merck, a pharmaceutical company with an active vaccine division. You call this unbiased!!!
It is also important to point out that until 1991 there was no system for reporting adverse side effects. It is also widely reported that only 10 percent of all adverse reactions are even reported the The Centralized Vaccine Adverse Reaction Reporting System. (VAERS) To compare serious side effects from vaccines to “horror stories of infants and children being killed by being struck by lightning” is a silly comparison. Purposely injecting formaldehyde, aluminum, mercury and animal DNA into perfectly healthy human babies is not comparable to any “accident”.
You also state that the “devastating diseases prevented by vaccines are much more serious risks”. Measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox are not devastating diseases. My parents, grandparents, etc. had all of them. The real devastating diseases are the ones that are now totally out of control like diabetes, autism, and autoimmune diseases that unlike the normal childhood diseases LAST A LIFETIME!
You didn’t even address the questions that I had brought up about the Simian Virus 40 or the high levels of mercury that we are injecting into our babies. Mercury is TOXIC and is affecting the central nervous systems of many, many children. I had mentioned when a baby is born and they receive their FIRST Hepatitis B shot, it contains 30 times the safe level established by the EPA. Mercury cannot be excreted from the body and is known to cause brain and nerve cell damage. However, once again, the makers of the hepatitis B vaccine, Merck, make about $1 Billion a year from sales. As far as the “rare” side effects… In 1996, only 54 cases of the actual disease (o deaths) were reported to the CDC in the 0 to 1 age group. In the VAERS, there were 1,080 reports of adverse reactions from the vaccine and 47 DEATHS reported from the vaccine. Does this make any sense????
The Simian Virus 40 is known to case cancer in humans. Yet, Lederle, the manufacturer of the polio vaccine, says it is too expensive to test for the virus in their vaccines. They admit that some vaccines have the virus, as it is grown on monkey kidney cells. Read the story of Alexander Horwin on www.ouralexander.org. His parents are demanding a Congressional Investigation and Hearing in their June 7, 2003 letter.
In many other countries, the truth about vaccinations is becoming known. “Sweden stopped whooping cough vaccination in 1979 because of epidemics of the disease in fully vaccinated children and due to unacceptable side effect, including brain damage. Japan discontinued compulsory vaccines in 1994 after the government took over responsibility for compensating the vaccine victims. They saw the magnitude of the disaster caused by vaccines.” (Immunization: Theory vs. Reality) Many other countries are limiting or discontinuing many of the vaccines that America “Mandates”.
I could go on and on with more research. The main “MISCONCEPTION” is that generations of people have been brainwashed to believe that infectious diseases are bad and must be stopped. But, we are trading the mostly harmless childhood diseases for serious lifelong and much more dangerous diseases.
However, here are a few resources for people who really care to find out the truth. Sure the voices of the pro-vaccine side are much louder and MUCH RICHER! The other side is lined with parents and people who have suffered and lost loved ones due to these vaccinations. Both sides are biased; just the one side has a lot more money to try to get its point across. It also stands to lose a lot, if vaccines are limited to only the few really important ones, instead of the 33 – 40, which are “mandated” today.
Resources:
The Sanctity of Human Blood - Vaccination is not Immunization by Tim O’Shea
Immunization – Theory vs. Reality by Neil Z. Miller
And my favorite website by Dr. Joseph Mercola at www.mercola.com
www.thinktwice.com
www.909shot.com
And many, many more!
Gray Seal
Nov 11 2003, 04:01 AM
Whether to vaccinate against a particular disease is dependent on risks. What is the risk to health from a disease versus the risk from the vaccine? Not all vaccines have the same risk of causing problems. When the risk of contacting a disease is remote then it probably is not a good idea to vaccinate. It is difficult to make a broad general statement as to when it you should or should not vaccinate. Each disease and vaccine should be examined individually.
I am not vaccinated for sleeping sickness. The chance I will contact the disease is unlikely so I do not wish to be vaccinated. My kids are vaccinated via their doctor's recommendations. However, I chose to skip the flu vaccine as I view the risks from the vaccine making them sick do not justify the chance they will be protected from the flu. It is narrow decision but the in the end, if the benefits are not clear I will not chose to vaccinate.
There are killed vaccines and modified live vaccines. I prefer killed when they are an option. Using killed vaccines will eliminate the threat of viral contaminants and the risk of causing a low grade disease.
The contaminants you have mentioned are not necessary for a vaccine to work. Select companies whose vaccines have the best quality controls.
Also remember, that the risks of disease to an individual are much lower when a significant portion of the community has been vaccinated. If half a population is protected by vaccination, that is expected to be sufficient to stop the spread of most communicable infections.