OK, here's an entirely hypothetical situation that may be a bit of fun...

It's the basic Gilligan's Island scenario. For some reason, all the members here at America's Debate decide to take a cruise. Maybe it's because some philanthropic person out there sends us a big check (and by big, I mean like Publisher's Clearinghouse. Those are some big checks. ) and we decide to use it to take everyone on a cruise. The setup really doesn't matter.

What does matter is that we end up shipwrecked on a not-so desert island. You know, the typical tropical island with a mountain, a river providing fresh water, plenty of food, etc.

For some reason, nobody has any way to contact anyone outside the island. I understand, this scenario gets a bit harder to believe all the time, given satellite phones and internet. Someone would have to be checking the forum, right?

Well, anyway, we're all stuck on this island.

What happens next?

What form of government would we make? Whatever it is would definitely be the most long-winded governing body on the planet.

Who would do what? Who would you want to do what? What would you want to do?

Since this was a voluntary cruise, let's assume everyone brought their families-- that is, unless you would prefer to be stranded without them.

Let's keep this nice... No saying you don't want Member X doing this or that because they are <<insert insult here>>.

Mike

I'm sure you mean "cheque" not "check..."

Interesting scenario. Who's the biggest guy on the forum? Because once the anonymity of the internet is stripped away I'm sure he'd take over.

Well I'd be a recluse for at least the first year or so... I'd probably find some isolated spot on the moutain side, not to far from fresh water, but difficult to reach, and then live up there as 'that mad dude on the mountain side'.

After a while I'd gradually begin to loosen up, but I'd probably never get involved in trying to run things...

Leaders, capable of coordinating people to accomplish tasks impossible to do alone - e.g. building shared structures, or tools requiring more than one kind of skill/expertise - would quickly emerge. That leadership, initially expressed on a task-by-task basis, would eventually solidify into a quasi-permanent status (whether we tried to hold elections or not). Those leaders, along with those who accepted their leadership, would start to create rules for sharing resources (e.g. those complex tools mentioned before). Some would reject either the leadership or the rules, creating conflict that eventually leads to their rejection or outright expulsion. There would be further conflict with those outcasts, individually or in newly-formed gangs, escalating sooner or later into actual bloodshed (starving people can get pretty desperate) and leading to the establishment of some kind of law.

Yeah, I know it's a dark "Lord of the Flies" vision. Oh well. I guess I'm just a bit of a pessimist, and someone has to consider the grimmer possibilities.

I would want a person with moral character and leadership characteristics to be the head of the new government (Perferably the Captian of the boat unless he died in the crash), which would be a democracy & that he or she immediatly establish this new government because when a huge group of people has no one to lead them, chaos can break out...and since they are feeling the aftershock of the craft stranding them on the island, the tensions will will be high.

Then, i would have the bravest people of the group scout the island for any indigenous inhabitants & look for temporary shelter (caves etc until permanent housing can be constructed), food and water.

Then, hoping there would be a scientist/geographer on the cruise, we should find out where we are located so we can project what types of weather conditions to expect.

Lastly, we pray for help!

to be very honest, I would probably set fire to half the island in hopes that ANYONE would see and rescue us...or me and whoever wanted to leave. (we'd make sure not to torch Moif's side of the mountain though)

the group most interested in devising a way of getting off the Island is where I definitely want to be.

It would probably be best that no "leader" or leaders be asigned, but rather volunteers who feel they are best suited for certain tasks. All would be included in the decision making of prioritizing tasks to be done...shelter, finding food, rescue and protection from native beasts being the most immediate.

First, we'd need to place those with trained survival skills in charge initially....that would probably be the current and former military men (and women, if there are any) DTOM, Nighttimer, Cruisingram, Niteguy, and anyone else with survival skills....something tells me Unabomber probably also knows survival, though he isn't military.

Next, we'd need schools for the kids. Eeyore seems cut out for that task, so he would lead the education team.

We'd need entertainment for diversion and inspiration...the would be Authormusician, Quarkhead, and (I think) Mike, Bill Jean, Kmsouthern, and anyone else with talent in that area. Wertz would write the plays.

We'd eventually need a court system, and regulations to live by. I would place Platypus in charge of the court system and creating the laws...along with a voting process to enact the laws which included others from different political persuasions. Probably Mike, Jaime, moif, Wertz, Curmudgeon.

We'd have mediators for disputes. I think Pal Elspeth, Beladonna, Abs, Cyan and Julian would do well there.

Oh! We'd need medical facilities. I know the Cruisingram and Pal Elspeth are in the medical field, so we'd start with them and anyone else who has experience in that area.

We'd place Hugo and UltimateJoe in charge of the distillery. Many of us would spend a lot of time at their establishment. I think they'd be the first to get wealthy if we every adopted a monetary system. Otherwise, we'd be exchanging a lot of berries and squirrel for the brew.

We'd place those with carpentry skills and structural engineering backgrounds in charge of building. That would be my husband, Amlord, and anyone else with that background.

Everyone else would assign themselves a position under the above categories, to whichever they feel the most suited.

In accordance with my skills, I'll continue to play the role of Mr. Negative. What would you expect to happen, Mrs. P, when people don't accept the roles that have been agreed upon? What if , for example, unabomber and DTOM cannot agree on where the drainage ditch goes, or Hugo cannot accept any court system that I had a hand in creating, or Curmudgeon refuses to stop interfering with how Eeyore's system is educating children? No offense intended to any of those individuals; the names are purely for the sake of illustration. How do you see such conflicts being resolved?

Let me explain a little bit where I'm coming from here. Some people do get drunk on power, including the people you'd least expect. Some people are slackers, or even thieves. Some cannot accept any authority but their own. Many times in my career, I've had to deal with pairs of people who are completely rational and congenial in just about any circumstance except when it comes to each other, where they harbor a mutual hatred incomprehensible to anyone around them. I've had to deal with that a mere two days ago. I have seen the same thing happen on hiking trips, in roleplaying games, and elsewhere. Yes, I have seen it in web forums too, multiple times. It's hard enough to deal with when there is an obvious chain of command and little at stake; it would be much harder when all authority is supposedly by direct consent and the stakes are survival. We have a particularly opinionated group here, and some have expressed views which lead me to believe that they would feel oppressed by the so-called "tyranny of the majority" when things don't go their way. Regardless of who's right and who's wrong, I believe such conflict will inevitably arise and escalate until force becomes necessary - however much any of us might wish otherwise.

Hmmm sounds more like "Lord of the Flies" than Gilligans Island too me. I wonder who gets the conch, and if anyone even thinks about taking my glasses... .
Anyhow I think we should just go with the flow. If there are any problems with any forum members then let the two parties involved settle it on their terms. If a third party needs to get involved then we will have a lotto for jury duty. Remember KISS. Uh oh I sound like a slacker, but honestly I'm a jack of all trades and a master of a few.

Looks like Mrs P beat me to it but here goes.

What happens next?

Mass mayhem!?!?! Naw, with all the bright minds here at AD, I think an interim government would be set up pretty quickly.

What form of government would we make?

We would work towards a democracy, but the interim government would initially be made up of the captain and the first mate, in AD’s case, Jaime and Mike.

Who would do what? Who would you want to do what?

The moderators and committee members would act as heads of departments.

Quarkhead would be Secretary of Health & Human Services

Cyan would act as Secretary of Housing & Urban Development

Amlord would be Secretary of State (you never know when we might have to make peace with the group of headhunters on the other island.)

DTOM would be Secretary of Department of Defense (this position will come in handy if Amlord is not real good at his job and we have to go invade the other island).

Eeyore would become our Secretary of Education.

Mrs. Pigpen, Secretary of Department of Homeland Security.

Kisov, Secretary of Energy (this means you will have to go Magiver and create energy from tree bark, coconut, the button off Cyan’s blouse and my bellybutton ring, but I have faith.)

Abs like Jesus would act as Director of Environmental Protection Agency (really important position because until Kisov has created a nuclear power plant and windmills, you have to replant our forests to supply fire. Cyan will need trees for housing too.

Ultimatejoe, Secretary of Agriculture. (We have to be fed. Need I say more?)

Wertz, Secretary of Department of Justice.

What would you want to do?

I’d be in charge of hospitality. It’s a Southern thang!

I think it depends on the population of this group. If all thousand plus members were suddenly stranded we would have chaos. If a population of under 80, including the families, was stranded we could probably live relatively harmoniously with few rules or any need for any strong governing body. Sooner or later someone would commit an act of violence against another and some enforcement authority would need to be present to punish the offender. I think with plenty of food and freshwater and a relatively equal number of females and males among the single individuals (also assuming the gay and lesbian population is approximately equal) we would live relatively harmoniously. There are many small tribal groups that live with little conflict amongst the group.

After reading Beladonna's response I can see we will quickly have a conflict over the level of government needed.

What would I personally do? Try to get myself appointed as chief scout. I can move faster over rough terrain than just about anyone I've met - that has included AT thru-hikers and marathon runners, plus veterans from Rangers, 10th Mountain, and British Royal Marines - and I know a thing or two about flora/fauna, geology, etc. Even a small island can be quite large when you're actually exploring it. That's probably where my greatest value to the community would lie, and it would have the side benefit of letting me be by myself (and uninvolved in politics) most of the time. It would also ensure that I know the best place to hide if/when things get nasty.

As for what I would like others to do, I would push for an immediate democratic election of a small leadership group, and vote for the person (or people) who had the most relevant skills and leadership experience. I would most definitely not assume that being leader-by-fiat of a web forum (or a software development organization) would translate into being a leader in an island-survival scenario. I would try to support the leadership council and their designees to the best of my ability. I would argue against creating any kind of a constitution or court separate from the leadership council right away, until basic survival needs are taken care of. At some point I would expect a transition to more democratic rule, and would have voted for leaders in part based on my perception of their commitment to that ideal.

The first thing I would do is attempt to restrain SoCaliente from burning down half our island.

First, I would make sure the Island provided me medical insurance to cover my needed medications... (damn me for being addicted to insulin...)

A scenario like that I don't think a democracy is initially appropriate. When things are "do or die", the strongest will usually prevails.

I think initially, we would find out everyone's talents. Assuming "The Island" cured me (ala Thomas the Unbeliever), I think I, for example, could effectively organize the building of shelters, boats, tools, etc. Others would be needed to provide food and (very importantly) water. Others would be needed to perform other tasks.

Longer term, I think we could settle into a representative type government. Then I could be elected dictator for life , since I am so much more likeable in person than my anonymous internet image portrays.

Obviously, the first thing to do would be for the liberals to conspire together, kill all the conservatives, use their meat for food, and tan their skin for clothes and such. Following that, I would convert everyone to Buddhism (forcefully, by using tactics perfected by Bill "the Butcher"), and we would live happily ever after.

Um, seriously, I would have my hands full with helping my wife administer care to the sick. She's an FNP, and I'm (almost) an EMT. I would probably also be good in a mediator role.

MrsPigpen:


Wait, Amlord is your husband?!?

Quark,

You may want to refrain from attempted humor here on the Casual Conversation forum, especially on hypothetical subjects. Someone is bound to take you seriously and insult you.

I'd spend as much time as possible at the beach. I'd watch the crashing of the waves as much as possible. Fishing, clamming, crustacean hunting or whatever to justify so much time being spent there. And I'd be in no hurry for a rescue.

Has anybody ever seen the SNL skit where man and wife are stranded for christmas? Victoria Jackson kept trumping her husbands gifts with factory quality presents after he would give her things like a thatch placemat.

I would hope that my children would develop those type of skills to make our family's life one of comfort. I wouldn't mind having enough paper to write or paints to learn to paint or a trumpet to learn how to play. Everybody would be invited to my beach but I probably wouldn't want anybody appointed as secretary of anything.

(Amlord, I am sure my little ones would also have an innate knowledge of how to secure a supply of insulin on a desert island so don't you fret.)

Edited to knot look stoopid.

After thinking about it I don't think the majority of us would make it for a few reasons.
1. We would end up burning the all the wood to light and heat a population of a guesstimate of 2000 people until we can figure out how to make wax or oil. Then there's making glass and and drinking water too.
2. We would have to find and refine precious metals like steel and copper. Do you know how hard it is to build a house using wooden & stone tools. No circular saws, nails, concrete is a maybe, drills, even steel toed boots.
3. How many people walk around with a pharmacy. Even so it would run out quickly. We don't have the resources and maybe the know how to build a lab. You just can't grow mold and expect penicillin.
4. The smokers would eventually go through withdrawl.
5. 2000 people is alot of mouths to feed. 1 wild boar might serve about 50 people once. we would be reduce to bugs, fish, and grass until the crops are ready to harvest, provided we have seeds and someone is a great gardener.
6. Until someone remembers how to make plastic and form it we might have a problem with birth control, especially after our meet and greet period. we now have 2010.
7. The professor might have been brilliant, but there are certain thing that coconuts will not do.

In conclusion I think I agree with Socal and burn down the Island to get help. Without the proper infastructure the majority of us would not last a year, even though we are a talented group of people.

Forget the construction materials and the pharmacy, Rev; let's really get down to brass tacks.

What would we do without emoticons!?

Addressing the issue of members who wouldn't want to immediately fit into a niche and do something productive, I suppose they should have a little bit of time to think things over before duties were thrust upon them. Of course, they could certainly work on a tan if there actually wasn't anything we needed them to do.

I was just thinking about how the character of the group might change as we all go into withdrawal from Diet Coke, television, beer and other spirits, medications, cigarettes, and what have you. We'd be clean, but CRANKY.

Our brewers and distillers might actually become the peacekeepers!

Of course, our priority would be to build computers so we could continue our debates! I can see each of us in little thatch huts, dotting the beach, typing furiously on our precious forums...

But it's for a good cause, trust me I'll compromise ooook. a bonfire the size of 1/2 a football field to be kept going 24/7. how's that?

hey, well while the liberals are pontificating on who should be in charge or preparing to capture and eat what little conservatives there are (I've long suspected liberals of being evil, Quarkman how could you! ) ...AND enjoying their u t o p i a...settling in for the long haul, MY initial instincts would be to get us rescued!!!!

There must have been life-rafts-boats of some kind on the ship, tools, fuel, etc. could use linens for sails, flags. my husband (if family was with me) would most definitely want to work on getting the communications systems repaired somehow devising an ET phone home kinda thing. my eldest boy would work a system of trade with the natives (if there were any) to enlist their help with the possible repair of the ship AND start a football team. my youngest boy (girl crazy) would, while not helping his dad, scout out the local talent.


we can be a little light-hearted here can't we?

Socal correct me if I'm wrong but don't you live in Califonia? If so don't you know that only you can prevent forest fires.

lol.

Rev, when the going gets tuff, NOTHING is sacred!

I'm joining the primitive, cannibalistic camp, and I'm sorry...SoCal, Rev, you're on the menu first for trying to burn down the island.

Next, we need to make some spears and form a military, because there will be additional dissent, and we can't lose our island paradise just because some people want televisions, couches, pre-packaged food, etc. I would suggest perfecting a method for making shrunken heads to scare the others into submission.

Now...obviously, the human food won't sustain us forever, so we will need to try to become a society that can live off of fish and whatever flora and fauna are on the island with tasty human morsels coming around only after a great battle or as a sacrifice to the gods. I don't know what god we're going to worship yet, but I'm open to suggestions. So...we need some strong, stealthy people who have the endurance to hunt, and we need some gatherers to forage for food.

I don't know what to do about shelter, so I don't think I should lead the housing effort, but I appreciate the vote of confidence.

I do know that we need a witch doctor, and I vote for Quark.

BUSTED.

boy o boy, I knew it. all that peace and love yadda. JUST as I thought.

all those that want to bounce this "cannibal island of anarchy" are welcomed to "Take the SHIP" with moi. we don't need no stinkin' hippies. <----

After reviewing the topic, it seems so far you are by yourself in the cannibal camp. We might have to keep an eye out for you. I'm pretty sure one person out of the 2000 of us can come up up with something better to eat than each other. Remember we are not a bunch of teenage soccer players on a desolate snow covered mountain top but a:

Wow, when the going gets tough you start biting people. I thought this website was about civil debate, not eating everyone we disagree with. J/k

Looks like Quark is in the cannibalistic camp as well. You still have time to change your mind and join us.

Rev - quick question for you - where'd you come up with this population of 2,000?

By my estimates, we have about 75-100 members who post on a very regular basis. Assuming those are the folks that would go on an AD cruise and for fun, let's assume each brought three people, we'd be at a population of around 225 - 300. 2000? Nah. It would be a REALLY small group, I believe.

More from me later - I have this job that interferes with my posting time

What?!?

No separation of Church and State??

EDIT to add: Jaime, I would guess he is taking the current membership (around 1000) and mulitplying by 2 for spouses/sig others.

Count me in with the cannibals, conservatives outnumber liberals, I knew you guys were good for something.

Yeah I multiplied it by to two compensate for those with children (+1) and those that are single(-1) and married (+1) and no shows (-1). Like I said a guesstimate. Then I rounded down so I wouldn't come up with a huge number, just to be realistic.

I'd eventually take the ship with you SoCal.

Trying out "Survivor" for awhile might be fun, but I doubt too many of us really want a return to the primative life...(for long, that is)

Yes, but conservatives are carnivores. Carnivores aren't very tasty, and our meat is very tough

I'm operating on the assumption that our primitive sides will come out when we get stuck on the island in which case it would be appropriate to have some tribal gods, lots of nekkidness, and maybe some cool drums... Why am I assuming this? Because I've a.) seen too many B-Movies b.) because it's a fun concept. I can grasp onto some other more utopian concepts as well...developing hydroponic farms out of the resources that we find on the island, forming some type of democratic system, and allocating labor based on peoples' skills.

This is a fun thread.

Hey, I'm with you Mrs. P, I wouldn't want to cross you in the jungle without being on your side, I was talking about the eating the liberals, conservatives outnumber them, it should be easy picking.
Work based on peoples' skills eh? I guess I'll have to start the fire with my natural hottnesss.


CP

Oh, Cool! Yes, I imagine I'd like a tasty herbivore after a few weeks on a desolate island

Edited to add: I'd be glad to run around nekid with Cyan, but I think if we're going to go that way, we should screen AD members to make sure they're fit enough to live on our island.

Do liberals taste like Pork?

Just kidding.



So, those with skills work and those without skills don't?

I don't have any skills, I swear...

Everyone has some sort of skill or talent. A good manager will find it. You aren't getting out of work that easily.

I think I'll turn vegan, thank you.

In case anyone was wondering, libertarians taste salty. Don't ask how I know.

What does a platypus taste like, I wonder??



Then you just made someone's shopping list....

savages! agh.

didn't take long for disintegration to ensue. hopefully the natives can be convinced that the Utopians are alien occupiers bent on taking their land after they see how they've spread out all over the place. lol

as for explaining to the natives the necessity of a 10 story bonfire burning 24/7 well...it's to the satelitte GOD to come and rid the land of all those crazy aliens, of course.

CP, If this trip ever gets off the ground, I'll be bringing my Winchester along. I can always hunt for the group. And at least protect myself. Once you're done eating all the liberals, you might decide to start in on us moderates, and I'm not gonna be anyone's lunch.

Actually, if this is a truly deserted island, I don't think my wife would be much help after a few days, by her own admission. No shoe stores. On the other hand, I'd be saving lots of money.

I dunno, there are over 100 liberals on this site [counting "slightly liberals" and "very liberals"] moderates might be safe for a while, and I assume it'll take a while to take down some of the libs, I can see quark putting up a fight

CP

Maybe so, but why take the chance?

On the other hand, if I can hunt down enough food with that rifle, we can open up a decent barbeque joint, and we won't have to eat anybody.

Now, if I can just find that BBQ sauce recipe.....

See I always figured that the republicans would be the other other white meat.

Going back to the beginning though, I do have some survival skills. My best job would be a sort of "recreational coordinator." Everyone would learn how to play frisbee; fitness would be key. And there would be NO EATING of people. Conservatives on the other hand...

Going into business with Hugo would be a blast though. I'd run the books and he'd enforce the tabs, and all would be well.

Conservatives want to eat liberals. Liberals want to eat conservatives. Doesn't anyone here like variety in their diet? This doesn't have to be a partisan issue. Rest assured, we can all live together and still be cannibals. We merely need to create some rules for our cannibalism.

The ancient Aztecs worked it out by eating their enemies who were slain in battle. If we get invaders, problem solved. We can also accept voluntary sacrifice. You always have someone in the group who goes a little nuts. We just need to wait and see who wil crack first in such an isolated environment.

The rest of our days, we can eat the plentiful amount of food that Mike has provided for us on his virtual island. I imagine that it wouldn't take long for us to get to the point that we were farming the land in some way.

I have my family, so I'd make it my aim to live peaceably and mind my own business. I prefer to focus on making my family's life happy. Then we could contribute good cheer to the community.

*cough* cannibals *cough*

I cant see democracy working at all. As someone said we are a very opinionated bunch. I can also see a kind of Lord of the Flies scenario.

Some will be predisposed to take charge, probably the strongest, fittest and biggest bullies, follower and weaker types will rally around them for security, soon a sort of hierarchy will form and an enforcement of that power structure.
Most likely a good portion of the group will not be content with this set up and splinter off, preferring to live more communally. The two groups will raid each other frequently, the former gaining on the latter most often, being the more brutal, the latter more productive since more time will be spent constructively instead of in power clashes and infighting. Violence will undoubtably occur, to what extend will be how long we are stranded. Id give one year before someone is executed under mob law.

Female to male ratio will be a concern, the men competing with each other, possibly getting ugly.

Some will pull their weight and more, others will slack; also whos sleeping with whom and percieved wrongs will cause gossip and discontent. I reckon a few who get sick of us all will go off to live in caves by themselves or in smaller groups, fairing relatively well if they have the survival skills.

All that being said, I'd most likely self appoint to organization of a large communal kitchen, (noone else has volunteered), making pots, gathering of food, water and medicinal herbs. This is my strong suit and in my experience a well fed group is happier in the long run. I also have a strong enough personality to not be gotten over on about food rations, maybe even training a group Amazon style warrioresses to protect the food supply.
I could help the medcal staff with healing herbs and hopefully find something to help us attain a higher conciousness and touch upon our internal spiritual selves from time to time.

For those I know here somewhat I think most suited to these tasks: all in good fun.
Wertz as judge, and jury! Tough but fair justice.
Abs as Supreme Court , can overturn Wertz with veto or lesser punishment.
Km Southern and Paladin Elspeth in charge of child care and birthing.
Jaime as school teacher with Eeyore as her assistant. The only way the kids will learn anything thats not propoganda for right or left. Good strong values.
Amlord could be mayor, just a token title to make him feel good.
Victoria S. and whoever else was mentioned as medical staff. Victoria also oversees that noone bathes or pees in the water supply. She haz her vays, punishment vill be cruella.
Cruising Ram as psych advisor, we could build a crazy hut and let him play all day with the nutters, healing them eventually. Hopefully expansion will not be needed if hes worth a damn.
Ultimate Joe as mediator in disputes and fitness director.
Curmudgeon as storyteller and old guy with timeless wisdom. ( Hopefully useful?)
Cyan as neighborhood beautifcation coordinator and general arts and theater management and holiday planner.
Mrs Pig Pen is with me as Amazon protectress of food supply and maybe eventually jailhouse warden.
Nightimer in charge of fair housing depending on work ethic, and a weekly or monthly newsletter.
John Locke in charge of the bar and other vices. ( He knows how to brew moonshine I heard and has a cuban cigar connection)
Author Musician, Rancid Uncle in charge of musical entertainment and parties. Rancid Uncle can also serve as Shaman.
Mike as technical engineer and otherwise left unbothered to piddle with gadgets and misc projects.
Rev Del Fuego in charge of marriages, chief delegate to keeping the rescue fire burning and Spanish lessons, just in case.
Conservpat, Hugo and Goamerica to continually remind us that we are Americans and keep our values in order, as they progressively disintegrate overtime. In charge of remembering important patriotic holidays and American history. Possibly war chiefs against cannibalistic natives.
Platypus can lay around and look good to eat eventually, or teach us how to fish.
Billy Jean as Christian priestess, and reminder that pop music will still be around when we return to our comfortable homes. Also Halloween and gay/lesbian discussion group coordinator.
Quaarkhead will be a one man think tank and philosophizer, trying to figure out how to get us out of the everliving hell weve got ourselves into.
Beladonna will be in charge of being our Helen of Troy. She will just have to remain beautiful and give any warriors something to fight for. She will eventually have her own Temple for those of the pagan sector, birth many beautiful island children which all will care for since noone will know whos-whos father.
Dontreadonme will be in charge of keeping one American flag in perfect condition, so they know who we are when rescued and weve succombed to only grunts and ughes and are all so hairy we cant be recognized as humans.
Moif would be general voice of reason, peacekeeper and charity worker. He would be our inspiration to be better people, until we got sick of him and killed him for food.

All will do kitchen duty and clean up in rotation under penalty of starvation under my tyrannical rule as Excecutive Chef!

(Sorry for anyone I forgot that I shouldnt have)