I am not a Democrat. If you've read my posts, you know that. But I'm curious.

It's pretty obvious who the Republicans are putting up in 2004, at least for President. But I ask Democrats, is Gore really your man in 2004? If so, will it be Gore-Lieberman again? Is Gore your choice because you think he's the best man for the job, or because in your view he is the Democrat with the best chance at winning the White House?

Mike

Regardless if Gore runs in 2004 i doubt Lieberman will be his running mate. Have you heard all the critisism Lieberman is giving off about how Gore lost the election...

platforming people vs. power... sicking so strongly on "getting the rich"

The DNC convention is going to be the best show of the election... so many want to run for president...Gore, Lieberman, Dashael, Gephart, and McCane.

But no matter who runs, the Clintons will be out sabatoging the campaine...they want the democarts to loose twice so they can put Hillary up as the "Savior of the Deomocrats" in 2008

i AM a democrat and i have a lot of problems with what you both have to say. first off, Gore would run, and people would back him, because he received THE MOST VOTES. plain and simple. the populace chose him, not the bushlette.

second, McCane is a Republican. maybe you should recheck your facts.

third, why is it that only republicans talk about the clintons? is it to keep the rest of us from paying attention to all the crap that a republican white house has gotten us into? because it's not working.

leiberman has said publicly that he will not run against gore. make of that what you will. daschel is more important as majority leader, so he won't run.

i like jackson jr. he looks good for '04. maybe a governor from the east. i don't have any in mind in particular, but one of them could do well.

Statistics show that Gore would not win against the current president, (just going by history) so I’m not worried about him. Lieberman, if he ran (and FYI he has said that he would run against Gore in the primary) he would loose, he’s a senator and senators hardly ever win. Dashel, your right the DNC would kill him…

But as for the Clintons you must not be in-tune with Washington Gossip, (as if I am all the way over in Cali) but there is all kinds of talk, and always has been about Hilary Running. What I am afraid of is there will be another Republican sweep, just like the Reagan-Bush years. Then a candidate (Hillary) will enter that does not talk like the past losers, as Clinton did. Clinton did not sound like Carter, McGovern? or Dukakas, there for he got the nomination and rode it to the white house.

2004 is meaningless 2008 is going to be fun!!

Gore for President in 2004? OMG! I just hope that Florida by that time can count votes. Just what we would need not knowing who won again. History has repeated itself before. Just a thought to ponder.

Gore is definately not my man for 2004, though not for political reasons. I have always held a grudge against his idiotic wife Tipper for the explicit lyric warning label fiasco she was involved with when I was a teen. She ruined my chance at buying the cool CD's I wanted and my parent's wouldn't ever consider buying for me! I really hate to think about the stupid plans she might come up with as first lady to "protect" America.

there is a reason GW is president. it is because gore was the alternative.

If he runs he'll win...'nough said

Limpubus-

I don't think enough was said. Support your position. Why will Gore win?

sorry Jaime but he will win because he won the last election...if you look at it the way it should be looked at. HE GOT MORE VOTES

Have you read the Constitution?

This isn't the topic to bash Democrats, so I'll simply say that Gore lost, fair and square.

We are not a democracy. We are a democratic republic.

There is good reason for it.

Read the Constitution. Then the Articles of Confederation. You'll have a much better grasp on the situation

Mike

Two words, Limpubus: Electoral College.

Gore might run, but he will not be the candidate. He fell out of the light, grew a beard, and got large. I truly believe that the next candidate for the democratic party will be a woman . . . and not Hillary. Can you guess who I am talking about?

Please tell me you mean Maxine Waters…. That would be the hardest fall in the History of the DNC.

C'mon, Mike already predicted this. It'll be Oprah!

I was planning on saying this in my last post but I don't believe in an electoral college and I knew that you would use that to debate this. Electoral college shouldn't exist whomever gets the mose votes should win period. I don't see how you can possibly disagree with that.

The only real problem in that is that there would be huge swings in political power in America. For example in the 1950’s when McCarthyism was finding communist everywhere, if is was not for the Electoral college someone could have been elected that would put suspected Communists in concentration camps, or even kill them. That was the attitude of a majority then, but it was not right, and is not the attitude now.

We can not have a peaceful political transition if there is such a wide swing in political agenda. Thus revealing the brilliance of the Electoral College.

To debate the Electoral College, please go here.

This belongs in "Constitution Debate". This is the debate for Democrats.

Mike

Re-elect Gore in 2004
We have no current (elected )president
Just Bush, who is the White House resident

Bush did NOT win, fair and square
The right to sit in the president's chair
He did NOT win the popular vote
Or Florida's either, think many-a-folk
Now, he's trying to govern the land
With his 15 min. attention span!
And what's more
He wants to start a war

When what Bush did happens in other countries we typically go in there and take it back for them. HE STOLE THE PRESIDENCY. Gore should be president right now. if you want me to prove it there are numbers that do so...And Bush cheated and fumbled his way into a job that a functional illiterate should not have...but we all knew that already...

You Democrat babies have got to get a new line...you have worn out the rhetoric. Bush is our duly elected President...GET OVER IT!

No, No, No, Nettie,
Bush was NOT elected, he was handed the presidency by judges hand picked by his old man.

If the Republicans proved anything, they proved they can rig an election. How nice for Dumbya that his brother is governor of Florida and could "fix" the voting equipment. Too bad that all those African Americans were unable to vote, wonder why that was??

No, we won't get over it, and neither will the history books!

I didn't believe you are so nieve. If it makes you feel good to say these silly things go ahead. Meanwhile Bush is doing a good job and that is what will be in the history books.
Perhaps it won't note that things like vote buying by Democrats. Like the woman in Milwaukee, WI that payed homeless people to vote by giving them pkgs of cigarettes. There are a million such stories..dead people voting in New Orleans. and on and on.
You need to get on with what is and stop whinning.

Nettie,
Please don't tell me what I need to do. I'm very much aware of "what is" in this country and so are the majority of Americans who did not vote for Dumbya.

What you dont see Nettie is that the democrats have to whine about president Bush winning, that is the only hope. They know they wont win in 2004 and they know that there are no canidates on the horizon. they HAVE to complaine, I think its in the democratic oath. somewhere after the defend clinton till we die part...

Oh now Demarcs, not that old whinner business again. Can't you guys think of something better than that to call us. Bush simply was not the choice of the majority of Americans for president.

Yeah Nettie, he's doing a superb job....have you checked your stock lately? Oh yes, and then there is a little matter of being of the brink of war!! Do you have a son you wish to sacrifice?

Limpubus.....he recently had a colonoscopy (sp). When speaking about it, on camera, he had to call it a "procedure" because he couldn't pronounce colonoscopy. He tried once , and stumbled over it. Hardi Har Har!!!!

All you democrats...go Gore!

It is the best thing that could happen for the Republicans. So far all you write is negatives about Bush (some true some are questionable) Nothing positive or about issues concerning Gore.
As to QUOTE][Please don't tell me what I need to do. I'm very much aware of "what is" in this country and so are the majority of Americans who did not vote for Dumbya) we still have freedom of speech and I will say what I choose to say.

madtown:
yes I have checked my stocks. I've also read the latest reports that now show we were in recession before Busch ever took office.
The best thing in the world for Republicans is for Gore to run again. I for one hope he does.
As for "telling you what to say or not say, this is still a free country and I will say what I choose to say.

As long as it's not vulgar. (Just kidding)

I personally like reading all of the things that those on the left have to say about the President, whether they believe he is the President or not.

Bush is the first President to have an MBA, you know.

But anyways, this is Democrat Debate, and I am certainly not a Democrat, so I will stop now.

Mike

Imogene & Nettie

Please now girls, do calm down. I wouldn't think of interfereing with your freedom of speech. I simply asked you (and I did say please) not to tell me what I need to do. I'll decide that for myself, thank you.

We were in recession before Bush was appointed? Please, give me a break, Republicans excuse ad nauseam. All I know is there was a big surplus when Clinton left office.

Still wondering if you might have a son or two you would be willing to sacrifice, should D. get us into a war.

I still can't believe that there are people who think Dubya is a good president.

bush is too popular now to get outvoted for a second term, and i am personally glad that gore didnt get elected ... i think democrats are overall bad for our nation, bad for our economy, bad for our military((or any other organized department)), they are good at catering to what the ppl want. by that i mean minortys, which is why the electoral college((or however its spelled)) is still in affect. so you cant go around buying votes from special interests groups.

sorry if that was a bit of a poke in the ribs, i was trying not to be too nasty about it ... i like this forum, the debates are MUCH more casual than from where i came. this is like a walk through the park as opposed to a walk through a minefield. lol

that is all you will choose to know. we spent it on securing our economy so we didnt go into a despression and rebuilding our military. and yes the economy started to go down bfore clinton left, all his economic prosperity was from reagonomics((supply side economics)) and he slowly ruined it and turned it into a small reccesion, which the new bush saved us from ... if it were all gore president we would be in a very bad situation right now. i think clinton was a horrible president((no offense)) but a charismatic speaker.

LOL..Ignorance is rampant in the Democratic ranks..YIKES. And we almost elected one of these?! Ya..amazing what you can do if you put 8 years of economic boom on a credit card. Typical Dems...always making someone else pay for your stupidity.

Darcaine

Darcaine -

Please take a moment to read the description of this topic. It is for democrats to debate the finer points of their beliefs. We can save the all out brawls between the ideologies in all the other topics (except Republican & Independant debate, of course).

Thanks for understanding.

Jaime

Yeah, Darcaine, get out of our parlor........please?

I'm only here to clarify Jaime's post a little.

Not just Darcaine, but all of us Conservative types (including me, even though I started this particular topic) should head on over to a different forum on this same site to post our thoughts about Mr. Gore.

I'm sure you're all looking forward to the long-awaited "Rules and Guidelines" so everything is much clearer...

Mike

Umm? If you'd look at the figures, you'd know the economy started to improve and then went down more than before... We are still in a recession...

Gore will run, I would certainly listen but i wouldnt expect much. He may surprise me, who knows.

Democrats seem to have no high profile candidates and the time is ripe for a back bencher like BIll was in 92 to step out of the shadows. If they have no ripe backbenchers Bush will have it.

As far as the 2000 election goes, neither man was a jewel and it showed at the polls. Winning by a few hundred votes and well under the margin of error isnt much of a vote of confidence in your campaigning skills.... for either man.

As if that homeless woman would have voted Republican and her vote was stolen. LOL.

In Florida they hired an outside consulting firm to make rosters of names of convicted felons, matched those names to others that happened to have the same one and barred them from voting. Why haven't they ever been made to answer for this? They have never even denied it happened. Those same voters were still barred when the next election came around. Why don't they sue? (What good would that due in Florida, though).

If this was allowed to happen before these changes like the Patriot Act I don't know if there will really ever be a fair election again. At least they won't have to hire an outside company to get the dirt on people or manufacture problems for them since they will have it all at their fingertips.

If voting is computerized it can be manipulated. Even when Reno and McBride ran they had recounts and somehow still found missing ballots that missed the first count.