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Kisov
According to the Honolulu Liquor Commission, "liquor regulations bar discrimination in services based on gender" (quote from Modern Drunkard Magazine). I believe Hawaii is the only state that I have been able to find that has made it illegal to have cheaper or even free cover and drinks for the ladies on specified nights.

I was curious whether any men out there. . .or women for that matter . . . feel that specials at bars based purely on gender is wrong. It does appear to me to be a very blatant sexist act. However, the woman and budding wino in me feels that for all the other discrimination women have to go through they deserve to get free drinks! thumbsup.gif beer.gif

-Kisov
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Looms
I personally think this is ridiculous on so many levels. This is exactly like those idiots that sued Hooters for not being hired to be waiters there based on the fact they were male. Bars depends on ladies night for a good chunk of their profit. Free drinks brink the ladies, and drunken ladies bring the men, who in turn buy many more drinks. What's wrong with this? Nothing. It's a bar for crying out loud. A private place of business that should be able to charge anyone whatever they want. Consider this affirmative action. wink.gif

And just for the record, if based on idiocy like this, I ever walk into a strip club and wind up seeing naked men, I am no longer responsible for my actions.
Jaime
NOTE: We had a similar thread going on this topic once here: Sexism/ageism. I will close that one due to age and we can resume the debate here. smile.gif
Curmudgeon
QUOTE(Looms @ Dec 14 2003, 06:05 PM)
Free drinks brink the ladies, and drunken ladies bring the men, who in turn buy many more drinks. What's wrong with this? Nothing. It's a bar for crying out loud. A private place of business that should be able to charge anyone whatever they want. Consider this affirmative action.

And if the lady wants a free drink, perhaps she just needs to tolerate the company of a drunken man. beer.gif What's wrong with that? beer.gif

I remember now... My ex-wife used to run a day care business. One of her customers, working through her third divorce, left me with one of my favorite quotations:
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Why is it that all the men I ever met in bars were alcoholics?
doomed_planet
QUOTE(Kisov @ Dec 14 2003, 10:57 PM)
I was curious whether any men out there. . .or women for that matter . . . feel that specials at bars based purely on gender is wrong.  It does appear to me to be a very blatant sexist act.  However, the woman and budding wino in me feels that for all the other discrimination women have to go through they deserve to get free drinks! thumbsup.gif beer.gif

-Kisov

If "Ladies Night" free drinks were banned in bars across
the country, who do you think it would hurt?

Not the ladies. It would hurt the men more,
because then they would not only have to pay for their own drinks,
they'd be footing the bar bill for the ladies too.

Men are always buying women drinks in bars. They should
be happy that there is such a thing as "Ladies Night". It
saves them some cash.....

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Rev_DelFuego
QUOTE(doomed_planet @ Dec 16 2003, 06:33 PM)
QUOTE(Kisov @ Dec 14 2003, 10:57 PM)
I was curious whether any men out there. . .or women for that matter . . . feel that specials at bars based purely on gender is wrong.  It does appear to me to be a very blatant sexist act.  However, the woman and budding wino in me feels that for all the other discrimination women have to go through they deserve to get free drinks! thumbsup.gif beer.gif

-Kisov

If "Ladies Night" free drinks were banned in bars across
the country, who do you think it would hurt?

Not the ladies. It would hurt the men more,
because then they would not only have to pay for their own drinks,
they'd be footing the bar bill for the ladies too.

Men are always buying women drinks in bars. They should
be happy that there is such a thing as "Ladies Night". It
saves them some cash.....

money.gif beer.gif

Hmmm hmmm.gif , if they are getting free drinks why aren't they the one buying us a drink. I think I'm cute. innocent.gif I'm all for the equality for women. We need to pay them equally, stop ladies night, ticket them when they speed, and sometimes tell them no. No longer should we let them off the hook when they bat those long lushes eyelashes and gently stroke our arm. Aw nevermind, it seems pretty fair now. wub.gif
eniktin
QUOTE(Kisov @ Dec 14 2003, 10:57 PM)
According to the Honolulu Liquor Commission, "liquor regulations bar discrimination in services based on gender" (quote from Modern Drunkard Magazine).  I believe Hawaii is the only state that I have been able to find that has made it illegal to have cheaper or even free cover and drinks for the ladies on specified nights. 

I was curious whether any men out there. . .or women for that matter . . . feel that specials at bars based purely on gender is wrong.  It does appear to me to be a very blatant sexist act.  However, the woman and budding wino in me feels that for all the other discrimination women have to go through they deserve to get free drinks! thumbsup.gif beer.gif

-Kisov

Women deserve free drinks for all the descremenatin they go though? Is this a serious statement or a joke. If it's a joke, than I will refrain from commenting. You seem to be against desccremenation, so why woul you want to make men feel inferior by getting priveleges merely on the basis of gender. Is it not an example of descremenation? What happened to fareness and equal rights? Do you want to promote a double standard or true equality? The reason bars have lady's nights and happy hours for women, because by attracting more women they lure more men who come to pick up those women into the establishment, which equals greater profit. As for women, many of them may be the types that do not meet men in bars, because the men that go to bars. So they are just there to bathe in the attention, feel their own power and get free drinks. The men are hoodwinked into spending their money on drinks, hoping they can pick someone up, and being misled. Everybody wins except the men. Let women pay for their own drnks, at least than you know they have a sencere interest in meeting men, or at least in socializing. The truth is that everybody is a victi of one sort of discriminatio r the other in our society, men including, and to promote it further would produce bad karma.
Vermillion
Just so we are clear, a good friend of mine used to own a seris of bars, and he made this very clear to me: ladies night has nothign whatsoever to do with ladies.

If you advertise a ladies night widely, then on that night the number of women in the bar may go up by 30-40%. That same evening, the number of men in the bar will go up by 200%, attracted by the impression that there will be more women present.

Ladies night is meant to attract drinking customers, who are predominantly men, by dangling the potential presence of women in front of them like live bait.
Mrs. Pigpen
QUOTE(eniktin @ Feb 13 2004, 07:31 AM)
So they are just there to bathe in the attention, feel their own power and get free drinks. The men are hoodwinked into spending their money on drinks, hoping they can pick someone up, and being misled. Everybody wins except the men. Let women pay for their own drnks, at least than you know they have a sencere interest in meeting men, or at least in socializing. The truth is that everybody is a victi of one sort of discriminatio r the other in our society, men including, and to promote it further would produce bad karma.

Actually, the men win too. They subsequently have a larger base of women to choose from, and don't have to buy those women drinks.
doomed_planet
QUOTE(eniktin @ Feb 13 2004, 02:31 PM)

   As for women, many of them may be the types that do not meet men in bars, because the men that go to bars. So they are just there to bathe in the attention, feel their own power and get free drinks. The men are hoodwinked into spending their money on drinks, hoping they can pick someone up, and being misled. Everybody wins except the men. Let women pay for their own drnks, at least than you know they have a sencere interest in meeting men, or at least in socializing. The truth is that everybody is a victi of one sort of discriminatio r the other in our society, men including, and to promote it further would produce bad karma.

How are the men "hoodwinked" into anything? They arrive at
those bars by their own free will.

I think it would be safe to assume that many men are going
to bars with the hopes of "hooking up" with a lady on a one-night
stand basis. Many women go out to bars because they just want to
have a fun night, not necessarily culminating in "hooking up" with
some schmuck who bought her a drink and expects reciprocation
in a very intimate way.

It reminds me of a joke I once heard: What's the difference between
a DOG and a FOX? About 6 beers. tongue.gif

Ladies Night is a harmless marketing ploy, that works. If some men
are offendind by it, stay HOME!
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SWM28WDC
I see this as blatant discrimination. The only possible recourse, is to require those bars that hold a "free drinks" night for ladies to also hold a "free drinks" night for men. smile.gif smile.gif Seriously, I'm of the opinion that a bar should be run by the proprietor, rather than the local/state/fed government. This goes for smoking bans as well.

If I can't go to a bar, drink, smoke, and make a fool of myself infront of strange (or not so strange) women, well, I might as well drink in my basement.
Paladin Elspeth
This is just a question, but maybe someone would be willing to answer it.

In the bars where there isn't a Ladies' Night, are there enough good-looking women to go around?

If so, I would suggest that the gents boycott the bars that are practicing all this blatant gender discrimination! rolleyes.gif
Looms
QUOTE(doomed_planet @ Feb 13 2004, 02:21 PM)
I think it would be safe to assume that many men are going
to bars with the hopes of "hooking up" with a lady on a one-night
stand basis.  Many women go out to bars because they just want to
have a fun night, not necessarily culminating in "hooking up" with
some schmuck who bought her a drink and expects reciprocation
in a very intimate way.

It doesn't even have anything to do with hooking up. I'm happily married and have no intentions of hooking up with anyone. But if I go into a bar, and find myself in the middle of a "sausage party", I'm walking out. That simple. Why? Because it's more fun partying when there are good looking women around. Fact of life. Somehow, I doubt that I am the only one who feels this way. Hence, ladies night.

The people that consider ladies night a serious problem, I truly envy you. If this is your definition of a serious problem, your life is perfect. The people that are just playing devils advocate about this, it is my humble opinion that you are in serious need of a hobby. I recommend Gundam Wing model kits.
jenreiautter
QUOTE(Vermillion @ Feb 13 2004, 07:37 AM)

If you advertise a ladies night widely, then on that night the number of women in the bar may go up by 30-40%. That same evening, the number of men in the bar will go up by 200%, attracted by the impression that there will be more women present.

Ladies night is meant to attract drinking customers, who are predominantly men, by dangling the potential presence of women in front of them like live bait.

I have to agree with Vermillion's post.

I attempted to go to "Ladies' Night" with friends a few times in my early 20s. I was trying to take advantage of the free drink thing and have some fun with my friends, but the joke was on me since my good time kept getting interrupted by men who were wanting to hook up with me or my friends(for probably just a one night stand). I've since learned that I'd rather pay for my drinks and be able to have fun with my friends than to try to get any "benefit" out of having a few free drinks.

In the local alt newspaper here in Salt Lake City, all the ads in the back have scantily clad females and are advertising clubs, most with ladies' night. The implication seems clear to me -- advertise a ladies night with a picture of a model and you'll get a lot of paying, hopeful men.
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