Full Version: Are men being portrayed as idiots?
Do you think that boys have few intellectual role models on TV?
I used to watch a lot of Frasier when I was twelve, oh and Bill Nye was awesome! There are still plenty of similar shows out there, like on discovery and Animal planet and even occasionally on kid channels. Culturally though, in programming not directed at children I think men are definitly portrayed in a un-becoming light, but so are women. Even though I hate the media, we have to see things in other people that we don't like in order to see them in ourselves. I always new that Homer was stupid. I never wanted to be like homer when I was 8, I just recognized him as a specific character. I was kinda intellectually savvy at a young age, but I wouldn't expect much less from other children.
I used to watch a lot of Frasier when I was twelve, oh and Bill Nye was awesome! There are still plenty of similar shows out there, like on discovery and Animal planet and even occasionally on kid channels. Culturally though, in programming not directed at children I think men are definitly portrayed in a un-becoming light, but so are women. Even though I hate the media, we have to see things in other people that we don't like in order to see them in ourselves. I always new that Homer was stupid. I never wanted to be like homer when I was 8, I just recognized him as a specific character. I was kinda intellectually savvy at a young age, but I wouldn't expect much less from other children.
Yes there are intellectual role models for boys. However, boys are not getting a fair shake as the media portrays women with more control.
We should begin showing equality as it should be something to strive for. Where neither men nor women have more control than the other. Where both sexes respect each other's differences and equalities.
So far, I've only seen this depicted in Sci Fi movies where in the future, men and women fight together, side by side, with still a hierarchy in command. I disdain seeing men in films used a robotic type dispensable beings.
We should begin showing equality as it should be something to strive for. Where neither men nor women have more control than the other. Where both sexes respect each other's differences and equalities.
So far, I've only seen this depicted in Sci Fi movies where in the future, men and women fight together, side by side, with still a hierarchy in command. I disdain seeing men in films used a robotic type dispensable beings.
Do you think that boys have few intellectual role models on TV?
There are none -- starting with the Commander in Chief, the biggest truest bumbler of them all. And boy, is he ever proud of his ignorance! --- and he is the hero of millions.
America is anti-intellectual, especially when the intellectual is male.
The dumb male started with Linus on 'Peanuts' and reached fruition with Archie Bunker and it's been downhill from there.
In the future men are going to be fat and dumb and feel proud about it (don't laugh it's already happening).
I laugh at women who act like men 'have the best of everything' -- yea, except they die years earlier than women on average -- how great can that be?
There are none -- starting with the Commander in Chief, the biggest truest bumbler of them all. And boy, is he ever proud of his ignorance! --- and he is the hero of millions.
America is anti-intellectual, especially when the intellectual is male.
The dumb male started with Linus on 'Peanuts' and reached fruition with Archie Bunker and it's been downhill from there.
In the future men are going to be fat and dumb and feel proud about it (don't laugh it's already happening).
I laugh at women who act like men 'have the best of everything' -- yea, except they die years earlier than women on average -- how great can that be?
Not only are there few intellectual role models for boys on television, but it is the GOAL of television as a business to turn boys into weak-willed saps who'll do anything for the latest Pokeman cards/XBOX whatever. Advertising and marketings goal (which feeds all the shows) is to break down masculinity, not build it up. Masculine boys dont watch alot of TV - they're active, responsible, study hard, play outdoors, fight, help their mothers/fathers, etc. TV wants couch potatoes! Bundy, Homer, the Family Guy and whoever else is on now.
QUOTE(Rev_DelFuego @ Dec 30 2003, 11:05 AM)
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Quoted from C.R. in the "what ad are you tired of" thread:
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ALL the ads that have men and dads being total idiots- the latest is the KFC ad having the mom asking if the kids are eating okay- like the man can't take care of his family- lord, if women were portrayed as the idiots men are on TV right now there would be a national boycott!
After reading this I began to notice more and more male roles appear to be one of a bumbling idiot. To name a few the male cast of Friends, Homer, and far too many advertisements. Do you think that boys have few intellectual role models on TV?
Any self respecting real man couldn't care less how he's portrayed "on TV".
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I think in your sensitivity you're overlooking some things:
The women cast on friends aren't particularly bright either. Women, IMHO, aren't necessarily shown to be stupid, they're furniture, they're window dressing. I'd rather be portrayed as someone with character than a bikini model.
Although, with series like OC etc. men and women now are just sex images.
Also, have you noticed how women are portrayed as wives of the bumbling fathers? They're nasty hen-pecking annoying whiners. "Harry, did you clean the living room?" "Harry, you incompetent fool, can't you take care of the kids?"
Which prolly strikes a chord with men.
There was a commercial on the local radio that used to just drive me crazy. It had some nagging wife yelling at her idiot husband. I couldn't understand how they thought that was 1) funny or 2) commercially viable. I was offended for both sexes.
As stereotypes, there is some truth to them, at least in my home growing up. I think families are a LOT different now than they were in my parents age. I take care of myself, I can boil water...in fact I can cook very well....maybe that's why I'm not married. And I think that relationship of "to the moon Alice" is getting very outdated. Instead they should show a single dad or single mom trying to cook for the kids.
The women cast on friends aren't particularly bright either. Women, IMHO, aren't necessarily shown to be stupid, they're furniture, they're window dressing. I'd rather be portrayed as someone with character than a bikini model.
Although, with series like OC etc. men and women now are just sex images.
Also, have you noticed how women are portrayed as wives of the bumbling fathers? They're nasty hen-pecking annoying whiners. "Harry, did you clean the living room?" "Harry, you incompetent fool, can't you take care of the kids?"
Which prolly strikes a chord with men.
There was a commercial on the local radio that used to just drive me crazy. It had some nagging wife yelling at her idiot husband. I couldn't understand how they thought that was 1) funny or 2) commercially viable. I was offended for both sexes.
As stereotypes, there is some truth to them, at least in my home growing up. I think families are a LOT different now than they were in my parents age. I take care of myself, I can boil water...in fact I can cook very well....maybe that's why I'm not married.
And I think that relationship of "to the moon Alice" is getting very outdated. Instead they should show a single dad or single mom trying to cook for the kids.
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