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GrigUSA
The President's new policy on Immigration is getting mixed reviews. It is complex but doesn't address the problems of a porous border.

Question: Would you support the National Guard to back up the Border Patrol in safe guarding our borders?
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ConservPat
YES! This whole new stance that we are taking on national security cannot be taken seriously if we aren't going to protect our own boarders. Immigration must be restricted and there should be a stricter immigration policy. The National guard should be protecting our boarders and keeping illeagals out.

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Dontreadonme
After we stabilize the situation in Iraq, and further stabilize Afghanistan, we should definitely utilize the National Guard in securing our borders.

We actually have a command structure and troops in place to accomplish such a task, unfortunately they are being used in the silly war on drugs.
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nebraska29
QUOTE(GrigUSA @ Jan 10 2004, 05:39 PM)
Question:  Would you support the National Guard to back up the Border Patrol in safe guarding our borders?

No, the border is too large and Hispanic immigrants are not terrorists. Establish stations across the southwest to house and feed them. Then give them a crash-course civics course and exam and viola!, you have a hard working citizen who will do the jobs that gringos won't! Perhaps we could ship them over into our country with national guard trucks. At least we'd get some hard workers out fo the deal.
NiteGuy
QUOTE(nebraska29 @ Jan 11 2004, 09:32 PM)
QUOTE(GrigUSA @ Jan 10 2004, 05:39 PM)
Question:  Would you support the National Guard to back up the Border Patrol in safe guarding our borders?

No, the border is too large and Hispanic immigrants are not terrorists. Establish stations across the southwest to house and feed them. Then give them a crash-course civics course and exam and viola!, you have a hard working citizen who will do the jobs that gringos won't! Perhaps we could ship them over into our country with national guard trucks. At least we'd get some hard workers out fo the deal.

Gee, Nebraska, why go through all that trouble? Build housing for them? Teach them American civics? Waste our fuel on chauffeuring them around?

Why not just annex Mexico, and make it our 51st state? At least then, our citizens would have an equal chance at the auto factory jobs and such there, and the wages would be equal across the board. Of course, then, we'd just be out-sourcing those factory jobs down to Honduras or Panama, and those that couldn't get a good job there would still be breaking the borders.

Either we have laws concerning illegal immigration or we do not. If we are not going to enforce the laws we have on the books, why waste the money and time to have our legislators write them?
Christopher
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Question: Would you support the National Guard to back up the Border Patrol in safe guarding our borders?


No.
How about just giving proper funding to the organization we already have there?
I realize this will require tax money, but I'm sure it can be set up so the wealthy don't have to pay. Hey we got Bush he spends like its all free.

Why not just set up better designed guest worker programs?
Even better why not really lean on Mexico to clean up the way it does business so mexicans are given real chances to estabilish a strong economy of their own?
Beladonna
I completely support using the National Guard to secure the borders.

That's really all I have to say on this subject but am writing this sentence so as to follow the AD rules and not post one line responses. tongue.gif laugh.gif kiss.gif
bucket
I am honestly not being inflammatory but the lack of knowledge often in regards to this issue is very troubling to me.

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Gee, Nebraska, why go through all that trouble? Build housing for them? Teach them American civics? Waste our fuel on chauffeuring them around?


That just so happens to be the current system minus the civics class. The H2A visas which are the visas offered by our gov to help American farmers gain access to enough employees, which means to import them from out of the country, the employer must provide travel expense for in and out of the US and they must also provide free housing.
TSheCat
I believe the only solution to the immigration problem from Mexico is to have a fixed minimum wage for immigrants that are not citizens. This, of course, would be less than the American minimum wage but there has to be standard. Just as there would be a legal standard for an immigrant to receive the right to this wage protection. This system has been so disorganized for so long it is time to put it in order. Just as border states must have and use more authority with immigrants.

As far as Bush's proposal, I would think this is something he will serve up for the congress to shut down. Getting the votes he needs from Hispanics because he tried.

Although way too many jobs have left this country, the stats I've heard say that over the next ten years 70 million Americans will retire from the workplace but during this same time frame only 20 million will enter. So perhaps there is a need for more hands and feet here over those years.
turnea
QUOTE(christopher)
No.
How about just giving proper funding to the organization we already have there?

I would agree with the National Guard on the border solution. I understand that this should be the border patrol's responsibility. But perhaps this could be a temporary solution while that agency gets up to speed. I imagine it could be done in much shorter order. I would assume these forces would come from state national guards that would protect their own border.

The question I suppose is whether or not each state's national guard can spare the personnel. I'll try and check on it, though perhaps others may have a better idea.

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I believe the only solution to the immigration problem from Mexico is to have a fixed minimum wage for immigrants that are not citizens. This, of course, would be less than the American minimum wage but there has to be standard. Just as there would be a legal standard for an immigrant to receive the right to this wage protection. This system has been so disorganized for so long it is time to put it in order. Just as border states must have and use more authority with immigrants.

As long as the major issue is illegal immigrants I don't see how this could work. ermm.gif

Should we make it legal for all illegal immigrants to be employed (thereby making it possible to subject the employer to minimum wage laws)? Then would there really be a such thing as illegal immigrants?

The only way this could happen is with "open" borders, I believe this would be unwise due to security concerns.
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