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Is GWB a hypocrite for his stance on Iraq from his campaign vs. what he actually did?
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Is GWB a hypocrite for his stance on Iraq from his campaign vs. what he actually did?
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QUOTE(Jaime @ Jan 23 2004, 01:54 AM)
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Is GWB a hypocrite for his stance on Iraq from his campaign vs. what he actually did?
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Is GWB a hypocrite for his stance on Iraq from his campaign vs. what he actually did?
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Yes he was a hypocrite.
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Did Bush waffle when directly asked (in 1999) whether or not we would move towards regime change in Iraq? Yes, he did
It appears that even Amlord admits he waffled or strayed away from his platform.
I have used quotes from the conservatives on AD and still get accused of using my sources. They were YOUR SOURCES quoted without one word being changed. But when I used those same quotes I was being childish or a liar.
In a case like this it is useless to debate or waste my time on someone that falsely accuses you of something you didn't do.
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Good to know when certain left-leaning people can't make their point, they resort to the behavior of a child, my respect for the 'left' these days diminshes further
It is nice knowing people that know everything. They even know that you are "left-leaning people", just because you disagree with Bush. McCain disagrees with Bush on quite a few points. Is he a "left-leaning people". So don't make assumption you are not sure of. For the high and mighty the ground is a long way to fall.
I would much rather be a child anyday than be someone who likes to put people down just because they disagreed with him.
I know lots of people that are on the right and I could have made the same comment you did. But hopefully I did not stoop that low and made that derogative remark.
Also from the 2000 platform
I don't think Bush is a hypocrite on the issue of Iraq. He was up-front about his opinion of Saddam and intention during the campaign. However, he did offer the distinct impression that deployment rates and our number of global commitments would lessen.
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The administration has cut defense spending to its lowest percentage of gross domestic product since before Pearl Harbor. At the same time, the current administration has casually sent American armed forces on dozens of missions without clear goals, realizable objectives, favorable rules of engagement, or defined exit strategies.
Over the past seven years, a shrunken American military has been run ragged by a deployment tempo that has eroded its military readiness. Many units have seen their operational requirements increased four-fold, wearing out both people and equipment. Only last fall the Army certified two of its premier combat divisions as unready for war because of underfunding, mismanagement, and over-commitment to peacekeeping missions around the globe. More Army units and the other armed services report similar problems. It is a national scandal that almost one quarter of our Army’s active combat strength is unfit for wartime duty.
When presidents fail to make hard choices, those who serve must make them instead. Soldiers must choose whether to stay with their families or to stay in the armed forces at all. Sending our military on vague, aimless, and endless missions rapidly saps morale. Even the highest morale is eventually undermined by back-to-back deployments, poor pay, shortages of spare parts and equipment, inadequate training, and rapidly declining readiness.
Over the past seven years, a shrunken American military has been run ragged by a deployment tempo that has eroded its military readiness. Many units have seen their operational requirements increased four-fold, wearing out both people and equipment. Only last fall the Army certified two of its premier combat divisions as unready for war because of underfunding, mismanagement, and over-commitment to peacekeeping missions around the globe. More Army units and the other armed services report similar problems. It is a national scandal that almost one quarter of our Army’s active combat strength is unfit for wartime duty.
When presidents fail to make hard choices, those who serve must make them instead. Soldiers must choose whether to stay with their families or to stay in the armed forces at all. Sending our military on vague, aimless, and endless missions rapidly saps morale. Even the highest morale is eventually undermined by back-to-back deployments, poor pay, shortages of spare parts and equipment, inadequate training, and rapidly declining readiness.
I don't think Bush is a hypocrite on the issue of Iraq. He was up-front about his opinion of Saddam and intention during the campaign. However, he did offer the distinct impression that deployment rates and our number of global commitments would lessen.
[QUOTE=popeye47,Jan 23 2004, 04:45 AM] Good to know when certain left-leaning people can't make their point, they resort to the behavior of a child, my respect for the 'left' these days diminshes further
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It is nice knowing people that know everything. They even know that you are "left-leaning people", just because you disagree with Bush. McCain disagrees with Bush on quite a few points. Is he a "left-leaning people". So don't make assumption you are not sure of. For the high and mighty the ground is a long way to fall.
I would much rather be a child anyday than be someone who likes to put people down just because they disagreed with him.
I know lots of people that are on the right and I could have made the same comment you did. But hopefully I did not stoop that low and made that derogative remark.
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No, but McCain doesn't go off on vitriolic rants (as you do) based off of the liberal slogans he hears that have little basis in fact and more in supposition/opinion/bias.
And where did I put you down? I asked you to actually prove your words for once, and you reacted in a childish manner. I guess actually challenging you on a very flimsy claim (that you assert more often then any here) is 'putting you down'.
I don't believe without question any of the myriad websites listing Kerry's, Dean's, Edward's lies (hell, I didn't realize there were so many websites devoted to this sort of trash) because there is usually far more to it then the selective sound-bytes these sorts of sources (on both sides of the spectrum) give.
For the record, I do not support all of Bush's policies. I obviously agree with the war, I also agree with the immigration issue (living in south Texas, I see their treatment on an almost daily basis, we've even employed a few on the ranch over the years, I doubt being payed $150 for a six-day 8 am - 6/7 pm wk is to 'humane' which unfortuntely to many farmers in the Rio Grande Valley do not care about), I do not agree with the faith-based initiatives nor the enforced drug-testing (that seems in my opinion like to much of an invasion of privacy), along with numerous other issues I have already posted on around here.
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It is nice knowing people that know everything. They even know that you are "left-leaning people", just because you disagree with Bush. McCain disagrees with Bush on quite a few points. Is he a "left-leaning people". So don't make assumption you are not sure of. For the high and mighty the ground is a long way to fall.
I would much rather be a child anyday than be someone who likes to put people down just because they disagreed with him.
I know lots of people that are on the right and I could have made the same comment you did. But hopefully I did not stoop that low and made that derogative remark.
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No, but McCain doesn't go off on vitriolic rants (as you do) based off of the liberal slogans he hears that have little basis in fact and more in supposition/opinion/bias.
And where did I put you down? I asked you to actually prove your words for once, and you reacted in a childish manner. I guess actually challenging you on a very flimsy claim (that you assert more often then any here) is 'putting you down'.
I don't believe without question any of the myriad websites listing Kerry's, Dean's, Edward's lies (hell, I didn't realize there were so many websites devoted to this sort of trash) because there is usually far more to it then the selective sound-bytes these sorts of sources (on both sides of the spectrum) give.
For the record, I do not support all of Bush's policies. I obviously agree with the war, I also agree with the immigration issue (living in south Texas, I see their treatment on an almost daily basis, we've even employed a few on the ranch over the years, I doubt being payed $150 for a six-day 8 am - 6/7 pm wk is to 'humane' which unfortuntely to many farmers in the Rio Grande Valley do not care about), I do not agree with the faith-based initiatives nor the enforced drug-testing (that seems in my opinion like to much of an invasion of privacy), along with numerous other issues I have already posted on around here.
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Popeye & wanderer - you both are making this TOO PERSONAL. Stick to the issues.
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Is GWB a hypocrite for his stance on Iraq from his campaign vs. what he actually did?
Popeye & wanderer - you both are making this TOO PERSONAL. Stick to the issues.
TOPIC:
Is GWB a hypocrite for his stance on Iraq from his campaign vs. what he actually did?
This will be my last comments in this post. I stress That 90% of my comments have come from fellow Republican comments or a direct quote from Bush on his platform.
I have no more quotes to add except to say I believe Bush has strayed from his statement on the platform regarding Iraq.
Additionally I am neither left or right.
I have no more quotes to add except to say I believe Bush has strayed from his statement on the platform regarding Iraq.
Additionally I am neither left or right.
QUOTE(popeye47 @ Jan 23 2004, 03:16 PM)
I have no more quotes to add except to say I believe Bush has strayed from his statement on the platform regarding Iraq.
Popeye, didn't you state just a few posts ago
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I believe Bush has followed his platform to a T.
????? 
QUOTE(Mrs. Pigpen @ Jan 23 2004, 10:20 PM)
QUOTE(popeye47 @ Jan 23 2004, 03:16 PM)
I have no more quotes to add except to say I believe Bush has strayed from his statement on the platform regarding Iraq.
Popeye, didn't you state just a few posts ago
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I believe Bush has followed his platform to a T.
????? Yes I did. That was done as a SATIRE, in which I was disciplined by WANDERER.
Don't tell me no one has ever used that on AD!
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