A topic that certainly would not have even been disscussed several decades ago is now on the tounge tips of millions of Americans. Some indeed are still either too confussed or embarressed to discuss it freely but it is certainly something that should be analyzed and taken into great account for...

So the question is, "Is gay marraiges morally and ethically right?"

My personal response to that would be a simple, NO. It is a very shakey topic in that it challenges the morales and ethics that people have lived by for thousands of years yet recently, especially the last decade, gay people have become more and more outspoken and publicized. Now they wish to have gay marraiges with the people they love but should it be allowed?
You see in allowing this to take place you are showing the world and especially younger children (I myself am 15) that being gay is an ok thing. Personally I don't think it is an ok thing. A child should never, and I mean never, have to grow up with two fathers and have the absence of a mother. That is biologically and mentally extreamly dangerous for any child.
I have heard to opinions of gay people on the subject of being gay in itself and they all seem to say the same thing about it. They say that it is not a conscious decision that they have chosen for themselves but it is rather not a decision made by them but for them.
Saying that makes it difficult to say that being gay is wrong;however, letting them marry and have children I believe is most definatley wrong. If you read in the bible God didn't create adam and evan he created adam and eve. That was for a reason.

Please feel free to comment and share YOUR opinions on the subject matter.

I have a feeling this post will be closed quickly, so it will be a quick answer

I read in another post you are 15- well, so this is still an "icky" subject for you, no matter your supposed maturity "for your age". Young males have to be very anti-homosexual in thier message to confirm thier own sexuality.

Sexuality is not immoral in any form as long as:

It is between consenting adults.

It doesn't intentionally kill anyone.

Hate to break it to you kid but keep your god to yourself.
Americans aren't required to obey spirits.
Morals are subjective. What I beleive in you probably don't. Unfortunately there are too many people who think they have a right to dictate to others how they should live. How they should think and what is acceptable.
You live your life and let other people live theirs. Who gays choose to spend their life with is their own business. How would you like it if I told you how to live and what to beleive. You wouldn't. So what gives you the authority to decide for others?

There is a Spell check button on the bottom left hand corner of the box where you type in your post. Just to the right of the smiley faces. Please use it.

Ask yourself this Brian- which is more moral- middle aged guys ogling barely legal teenage girls at a legal strip club, or soldiers sleeping with prostitutes in a foriegn country (known as the 500 mile rule for many soldier types- if I am 500 miles or more away from home, marriage rules don't apply) or sex between consenting monogamous loving adults of the same sex? In many areas, the former are acceptable and legal behaviors, but the latter is not.

Brian

How "queer" that I should run into you again - Your comment in the post you initiated (The Invasion Was Just) that anyone responding should check their spelling is made a mockery of in your own posting here - (Syntax is pretty bizarre as well - "Is gay marriages morally and ethically right?"

Hmmm - I suspect ARE would have been the appropriate tense.

Oh - okay - I take a deep breath - you say (I just read it) that you're only 15.

Wow - that sucks. I think you're to be congratulated for even finding a group like this and having the audacity to speak your mind.

(See, I thought you were a 20-something foggie - arguing things out of some self-absorbed void - I stand corrected...and apologize for being so rough on you....

On this issue - is it morally and ethically right for gay people to marry??? Well, of course it is - if you believe that commitment is a good thing and that vows of loyalty have meaning - how can it be a bad thing?

If we accept that gay people are gay much like left-handed people are left handed why refuse them the opportunity to lead decent and committed lives? We say on one hand that gays are promiscuous sex-crazed dogs and yet, when they try to settle down and lead mature and loving lives we say - what? - No? Because why? We want to pretend that gay couples taking vows will cheapen marriage? Do the 50% of marriages that end in divorce happen because of gay people? Did Brittany Spears get married in Vegas for 12 hours as some kind of gay conspiracy?

Truth is sex is weird - ultimately what "turns" people on is and should remain a private matter - It's a cliche to blame gay people for every perversion under the sun But rest assured straight people live out and seek all those same curiosities of expression -

AS a further point - as someone who - I assume - as a young republican resents the influence of big government and federal power - you should be aware that every stage of creating the apparatus for big government was done with the sanction of controlling private behaviour - You can't have it both ways --- From Comstack in the late 19th century controlling contraceptives (and pornography) in the posts to the totally bizarre White Slave panic of the early 20th century (which gave us the Mann Act and created the FIB) the state has only grown in influence and intrusiveness in direct response to Purity Leagues - Big Government was NOT created by liberals. (Study the history of Prohibition - a movement to make America pure and holy that only succeeded in creating even bigger federal authority and organized crime)

Allowing gays to form civil unions (marriage being left to religious congregations to accept or reject) is really no big deal.

And, by the way, there is huge historical and cultural precedent for it - despite what I keep hearing (and you have clearly heard) the notion that no one anywhere in the history of the world ever acknowledged gay couples is simply bogus.

I don't think the state should be in anyone's bedroom - or anyone's private behaviour - Hey, if someone wants to ruin their lives doing drugs or drinking - that's fine with me - But then only drug users get sent to prison ------ That's the real issue this country has to address - why are so many people criminalised because they're stupid enough to do drugs (Alcohol no longer being in and of itself illegal)

Brian, we have more serious issues to discuss - this whole gay issue is a paper tiger - there have been gay people in every culture, everywhere since the beginning of history - its simply a variation of nature - if you don't like it - well, fine - no one;s forcing you to do it - Hey, I think the whole thing over big breasts on woman is ridiculous, too - sex is and should be left to each individual to figure -

Is it ethically right to recognize gay couples? Yeah, in so far as it means simple stuff like hospital visitation and inheritance - these are the most private and personal things -

Again, it's nice to have you here -

I quite honestly do not know whether homosexuality is right or wrong, it just is. It is a way of being and as such, I question the validity of assigning a moral value to it.

But according to my own personal belief system, it is better to commit to someone in a loving relationship based on trust than it is to sleep around, regardless of whether the couple is gay or straight. By calling gay marriage "marriage," it does provide a formalized ceremony where the two are pledged to each other and the partner receives the benefits of being recognized as a spouse.

I worked with a gay man whose partner had been killed in a car accident. The company we worked for denied him time off to attend his lover's funeral. That is cruel. Letting the man attend the funeral would not have labeled the company as being partial to homosexuals. It just would have been the right thing to do.

This may come as a surprise to you, but some cultures, Greek, Roman, and certain tribal societies were/are completely comfortable with openly gay relationships. On top of the Cicero that, in another thread, Paedrig Pearse requested you read, I suggest you read Petronius' Satyricon.



If that was true, then single parents - growing up with a single mother or a single father - would be twice as "biologically (?!?!?!) and mentally extreamly dangerous" for the child. In which case, if we are to be consistent, by denying gay marriage for this reason, we should also ban divorce. And yes, single parenting can be harmful to a child, but not because of a lack of role models, but from a lack of stability in the family environment. This problem shouldn't exist when there are two fathers or mothers.



But the real question is: did Adam and Eve have navels?

Dude, do you want to live in a free society or not? If America is truly the land of liberty - and a separation of church and state - then nothing of this nature should be judged by any authority. Simple.

Morality and ethics are learned concepts, unique to each individual’s development and serve as a guideline to what is considered acceptable behavior. so



Asks me if during the course of my development was homosexuality thus Gay marriage presented to me as being right and acceptable behavior?

Yes.

I have always understood homosexuality to be an expression of human sexuality devoid of choice. Just as I have no choice but to be heterosexual, it is what I am and what I respond to sexually likewise a homosexual has no choice, it is what he/she is and what he/she responds to sexually. It is part of ones nature. Now that I have established that I feel that homosexuality is a natural human expression likening to heterosexuality. I can only conclude that marriage being social product of heterosexuality should also be a social product of homosexuality. I believe that what is natural and intrinsic to our species could not be wrong, amoral or unethical.

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