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jjirout
QUOTE(turnea @ Dec 5 2002, 09:45 PM)
jjirout: My point was offering trips back to Africa is not reparation at all. It's not even desirabale. As I'm sure you know.

African-Americans are citizens, that as far as adopting America as their country need go, what more do you want from them?

Sponsor trips to Africa and include return tickets. This is about as far as I think a reparation could go.

Because African Americans lost that; they lost their heritage, their lineage...
Other Americans chose to give it up.

This idea addresses the animosity that prevades the African American subculture today, which is partly responsible for the race division that we struggle with daily.

How can people live peaceably in a country that they feel robbed them of their heritage? And how can others bear it?

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Juber3
Let me put it this way...

say you have a child... He gets in trouble for cutting school... He wont get the fine you will...how would you feel
FadeTheButcher
>>>Sponsor trips to Africa and include return tickets. This is about as far as I think a reparation could go.

I would be more than willing to provide Reperations to Blacks provided they move back to Africa, such as Liberia, and never return. We can call it the "Lincoln Plan." That, after all, was the only thing he was good for. American Blacks wallow in their blackness. It is obvious to me it is impossible to ever assimilate this alien population.

>>>Because African Americans lost that; they lost their heritage, their lineage...Other Americans chose to give it up.

What are you talking about? The heritage of African Americans was slavery. They were sold into slavery on the African coast for the most part by fellow Africans. Slavery was a massive institutional African operation that had been grounded in Africa for centuries. When the British Empire decided to end slavery these African Slave Kingdoms protested. Millions of blacks were sold on the East Coast of Africa and across the Sahara desert to the Moslems for centuries before the Europeans ever arrived in Sub-Saharan Africa.

>>>This idea addresses the animosity that prevades the African American subculture today

It is impossible to erase history. Only materialists think they can pay blacks a set amount and the memory of slavery will magically go away. I see no other solution to the problem other than seperation myself.

>>>which is partly responsible for the race division that we struggle with daily.

No party is responsible for the "race division" that we struggle with today. People are tribal. That is just human nature. It is ridiculous to expect otherwise.

>>>How can people live peaceably in a country that they feel robbed them of their heritage?

What the "heritage" of these people is supposed to be has never been explained but it is taken for granted there is such a heritage and that it was even desirable. Blacks are always going to have an animosity towards whites IMO. This animosity has just increased over the past 40 years, during the so called era of integration. Seperation, that is the solution.

>>>And how can others bear it?

Well perhaps we should consider paying Reperations to the Irish. After all, god only knows how many whites were brought here as virtual slaves to settle America, as indentured servents. They seem to have gotten over it but perhaps this is because the Irish are White Europeans and not Africans.
Hugo
Average black family income in the US 30K, average Sub-Saharan African income <2K. Average life expectancy at birth US blacks 72, Sub-Saharan Africans 47. When a court orders reperations damages have to be shown. Sorry current black americans have greatly benefitted from slavery--THEY ARE HERE. I am not saying the ends justified the means.
turnea
hugo: It seems to me that deciding that the benefits current african-americans receive from being in America is somehow reparation enough for slavery is at least passively suggesting the ends justify the means.

If the ends (benefits of living in America) do not justify the means (slavery), then another method of justification is needed.
Hugo
The slaves, by and large, had a terrible life. Their descendants in the USA have benefitted from their ancestors forced removal from the African continent.
Madtown
So what are you saying?

Madtown
Hugo
I am saying that in courts of law reperations are not paid without damages. Blacks in the USA are here because of slavery. That is a good thing.
turnea
QUOTE(hugo @ Jan 1 2003, 12:10 PM)
Sorry current black americans have greatly benefitted from slavery--THEY ARE HERE. I am not saying the ends justified the means.


Hugo, In the quote above you brought up a important issue, justification which I will refer to as justice for clarity purposes.

My first question to you would be:
Do you believe justice should be sought concerning slavery?
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