This is a difficult topic to begin - but it is the essence of everything I know to be true.

There is only one question before us - will the rewards and wealth of the world be shared - or will a paranoiac white supremacist mentality prevail?

My skin is all pink and white - I am a European of "pure descent" but as an Irishman I also know that we were the model for future Racism and only dealt into the deal when the myth of "whiteness" took hold.

The British Empire was a cruel and ridiculous lie - a myth of abusive power based on an elaborated hierarchy of race and class - it was economically stagnant and morally bankrupt.

America is now emulating these grave errors (militarily, ecomincally and morally)

Question 1: Are they many members here of other or mixed "blood"

Question 2: Is it possible to move beyond the errors of the past? If so, how?

Question 3: Is a truly egalitarian society possible? What are the best means to achieve it?

PEACE

I frankly do not expect this thread to last long, because frankly I have no idea exactly what you are asking. But as a historian I wanted to take serious issue with one of your statements:



That statement ranges from the factually wrong to the generally silly.

The British Empire at its Zenith was economically vast, a powerhouse of financial clout which allowed it to compete with and supercede other empires with larger populations. The vast and consistent economy of the British Empire is a result of them essentially INVENTING modern economic, from mercantilism to the Industrial revlution, and those portions they did not envent, such as the merchant away system they borrowed (from the Portugese and Dutch) and improved upon.

As for its morality, yes by 2004 standards it was morally weak. But then again, by 2004 standars the entire history of the world including all people races events and countries were morally bankrupt before... well before the last 20 years or so. Compared to its contemporaries on the other hand (Belgium, France, Prussia, Russia) it was morally enlightened, allowing more freedoms, rights and power to the individual than anyone else in the world.

Yes of course the opressed (and occasionally massacred) natives, and minorities, and disenfranchised women, and an assorment of other things which to the 2004 reader seem terrible, but at the time the most progressive laws on most sociatal issues came from the UK, which was also the first nation to abolish slavery.

So honestly, before making silly statements like that, please check your history books. The British Empire at its zenith certainly had its problems, and many defects, even considering the time. But to call it a "cruel and ridiculous lie" is just rediculous hyperbole. As for it being based on an elaborate structire of race and class... yes you are correct it was. care to point out to me any major power at the time which was any different?

By asking this question are you suggesting that if someone is of purely "white" decent then they must be racist? Secondly, Considering the History of Great Britain and America how many people can actually answer the question of "mixed blood" in the negative?




What errors are we talking about? Slavery? It's been all but abolished. With the notable exception of many African nations. What errors are you referring too?



Lets look at America. Does Class, Race, Finances, etc effect your protection under the law? Legally, no (unless you're gay which people are working to change now). Practically? To some extent. The reality is that those with more money can provide a better defense.

What is the solution? Socialism? That concept is making everyone is equal. Now, to get there our individual resources would need to be pooled and equally distributed. The vast majority of Americas would live poorer lives under socialism. And Production will gown down. As production drops, so does the economy, meaning less and less for each individual. No Socialist nation has the economy or productivity of a capitalist nation. The reason for this is simple. If you produce more personally, you make more. If you are going to make the same amount regardless of how hard you work then where is the incentive to work hard?

I am trying to figure out what you are asking. Please, expand on your questions.

One last note. You do not have to be "non-white" to suffer from racism. Your and my Irish roots and the history of the Irish emigration to the USA should tell you that.

I must apologize for being a little confused!

The title of this thread is:

"Isn't RACE the only real issue?"

Then you state:

"There is only one question before us - will the rewards and wealth of the world be shared - or will a paranoiac white supremacist mentality prevail?"

Which is two questions, and at least two different issues. And then you add three more questions:

"Question 1: Are they many members here of other or mixed "blood""

"Question 2: Is it possible to move beyond the errors of the past? If so, how?"

Which is really two questions.

"Question 3: Is a truly egalitarian society possible? What are the best means to achieve it?""

Which is also two questions. So the reason I am a little confused is that I am faced with eight questions and multiple issues, and I hope that I will be forgiven if I am unable to respond to them all. Having said that, in response to your questions:

"Isn't RACE the only real issue?"

No! There are many "real" issues!

"will the rewards and wealth of the world be shared"?

They already are!

"or will a paranoiac white supremacist mentality prevail?"

I'm not sure I accept the premise of this question due to the inclusion of the word "or". Even without the "or" I would respond that I certainly hope not, but I am confident that it will not!

"Question 1: Are they many members here of other or mixed "blood"

It is impossible for me to know the answer to that question without knowing the number of "members here of other or mixed "blood"", and your definition of "many".

"Is it possible to move beyond the errors of the past?"

While I'm not sure I accept the premise of this question, I would answer that I do not know.

"If so, how?"

Refer to my previous answer.

"Is a truly egalitarian society possible?"

I would want to know your definition of "egalitarian" before I responded. There are several.

"Is a truly egalitarian society possible?"

Refer to my previous answer.


These are interesting questions. I look forward to responding to them more comprehensively in the future.

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