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turnea
I think this will introduce the debate better than I ever could.
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Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters..

A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.

The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents.

'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,' concludes the Pentagon analysis. 'Once again, warfare would define human life.' [...]
The report was commissioned by influential Pentagon defence adviser Andrew Marshall, who has held considerable sway on US military thinking over the past three decades. He was the man behind a sweeping recent review aimed at transforming the American military under Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

Climate change 'should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US national security concern', say the authors, Peter Schwartz, CIA consultant and former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and Doug Randall of the California-based Global Business Network.

An imminent scenario of catastrophic climate change is 'plausible and would challenge United States national security in ways that should be considered immediately', they conclude. As early as next year widespread flooding by a rise in sea levels will create major upheaval for millions. [...]

Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us

Is the nightmare vision of "climate wars" and a "Siberian Britain" by 2020 put forth by this report realistic?

Is global warming a vital imminent US national security concern?

Will global warming be the death of humanity?
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Is the nightmare vision of "climate wars" and a "Siberian Britain" by 2020 put forth by this report realistic?
Melting Arctic ice will decrease the salinity of northern seas shutting down the oceanic conveyer belt of warm water from the south. Britain will then have the same climate as other countries at its latitude. British people will become even whiter and pastier than they are now. Support Kyoto!
Hugo
Let's quote a bit more from this study:


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In light of such findings, we should be asking when abrupt change will happen, what the impacts will be, and how we can prepare ñ not whether it will really happen. In fact, the climate record suggests that abrupt change is inevitable at some point, regardless of human activity. Among other things, we should:


Notice the "inevitable...regardless of human activity."

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In sum, the risk of abrupt climate change remains uncertain, and it is quite possibly small. But given its dire consequences, it should be elevated beyond a scientific debate. Action now matters, because we may be able to reduce its likelihood of happening, and we can certainly be better prepared if it does. It is time to recognize it as a national security concern.


Notice that this risk of cataclysmic change is "uncertain" and "quite possibly small".
Amlord
I find it interesting that Global Warming™ will cause Britain's temperature to plummet.

In all seriousness, a dramatic climate change does not occur over a few years, but rather over decades (if not centuries).

Should something cataclysmic happen, I think the US is prepared to fend off the starving masses of Asia and Africa without much planning. Such wars would be local matters of securing food sources, I would think, not global invasions of the only country likely to be able to help anyone in any significant way (assuming they will accept our GM foods at that point..).

Global Warming ™ will not be the end of humanity. Nothing foreseeable be the end of humanity, it will come as a total shock, I think.
JohnSun
I don't think global warming will kill all humanity because I don't believe global warming is 1) human caused and 2) going to kill us all.

1) The climate changes periodically, and this may be just the normal, natural shift in temperature. In fact, I believe the content of the atmosphere also changes regularly, so the increase in CO2 doesn't have to be human-made.

2) It wont kill us all because humans will adapt. Humans have survived two Ice Ages, and with more advanced technology now, there is no reason why humans cannot survive the temperature change and climate change caused by global warming. The decreased temperature in Britain wont kill everyone in Britain. Global warming will not be the sole reason for humanity's destruction, although it might be a factor. All those doomsday people talking about water shortages are just making predictions, and there is no telling what really will happen.
Beladonna
Is the nightmare vision of "climate wars" and a "Siberian Britain" by 2020 put forth by this report realistic?

The answer may be found in this article:

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The U.S. news media picked up the story early this week. The result was headlines like this one in a Sacramento newspaper: "Pentagon Warning of a New Ice Age."

One big problem: both the Emeryville futurologists and Pentagon officials stress the report's scary-sounding projections are highly improbable and extremely unlikely, as Schwartz said Tuesday. Singling out The Observer for criticism, Schwartz emphasized the report is "not a suppressed secret report, it is not a prediction of imminent (doom). ... They got it all wrong."

All that Schwartz and Randall did was to investigate the "worst-case" possible events, those that are highly unlikely to happen but, if they did happen, would be catastrophic, especially in their impacts on U.S. military operations -- "low probability, high impact" events, as they are known in the futurological world.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...MNG0O57R4R1.DTL

Is global warming a vital imminent US national security concern?

Somehow I think not. Remember the great concern over the coming ice age back in the '70's? They were wrong about that.

Will global warming be the death of humanity?

IF there were such a monster as "global warming", I don't think it would be the death of humanity; not as inventive as we are. Our lifestyles might change dramatically, but I don't think it would be the end of the world as we know it.
nikachu
There is a general consensus amongst the scientific community that global warming exists and is a man-made problem, caused mainly by carbon dioxide emissions.

There are a whole range of predictions - from 'ah, it'll be fine' to 'ice age, doom, gloom and death to man'.

But these are all just predictions - no one knows. The world and its climate is TOO COMPLEX for us to really understand what is going on. The understanding just aint there. We can only say two things with any reasonable degree of certainty - that the world has warmed up over the last couple of centuries and that it seems to roughly coincide with the amount of carbon dioxide we produce by buring fossil fuels.

Thats not a concrete proof, but it is likely the two are connected.

But what happens when the world warms up? No one knows - the question really is - how much do you want to risk?

IMO we can have both economic growth and reduce our carbon dioxide outputs. But doing so will not help either the automobile or petrochemical industry....(but other industries would benefit instead).
Coco82
So then you wouldn't be worrying about impending doom? The world won't come to end? You have to admit it sounds awfully apocalyptic you have to admit. I'd just like some comfort in knowing that the world is safe. mrsparkle.gif
Mrs. Pigpen
Sorry, I am closing this thread because it is very old, and we have a more recent, similar one here. smile.gif
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