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u may move this...i dont know which topic it goes in because 9.11.02 was old news but their is a religion topic.
Do you think 9.11.02 was a wakeup call to america from god?
Do you think 9.11.02 was a wakeup call to america from god?
It was a wake up call from Bin laden
02?
No. What is it that you believe God was trying to say?
Its my opinion that the tragedys such as those that happened on September 11, were not of God. God is a loving, caring, and involved entity, why would he "wake us up" in such a terrible manner?
If there is a God then there would have to be a Satan. Good versus Evil, Yin and the Yang, the universal balance, whatever background, whatever view its the same.
To me it is worse when the evil masquerades as good. Muslims striving to come closer to God, were manipulated by the evil side of the spectrum. They succumbed to mans inherant sinfullness and self destruction.
Things such as this are a detriment to the truth. History has shown what happens when man strays from Gods design for his creation. The crusades, the jihads, the un"holy" wars are all examples of this. The un-manipulated basis for all these groups is selflessness, love, paitence, tolerance, liberty and so on. It sickens me that the good can become twisted seemingly so easily. They thought they were doing the will of "Allah". Were they?
God was there, but God was not with the terrorists.
Just my little opinion,
Travis
PS imho, God wasnt trying to say anything. God gave men a choice, right or wrong. A group took a wrong choice, that choice affected the lives of millions. It is affecting the lives of people in Afganistan, Iraq, America, Quatar, (etc) for better or for worse.
With the responsibility of choice, comes the burden of consequence.
My grandpa says "You can git away runnin wild now boy, but its gonna run ya down in the end."
If there is a God then there would have to be a Satan. Good versus Evil, Yin and the Yang, the universal balance, whatever background, whatever view its the same.
To me it is worse when the evil masquerades as good. Muslims striving to come closer to God, were manipulated by the evil side of the spectrum. They succumbed to mans inherant sinfullness and self destruction.
Things such as this are a detriment to the truth. History has shown what happens when man strays from Gods design for his creation. The crusades, the jihads, the un"holy" wars are all examples of this. The un-manipulated basis for all these groups is selflessness, love, paitence, tolerance, liberty and so on. It sickens me that the good can become twisted seemingly so easily. They thought they were doing the will of "Allah". Were they?
God was there, but God was not with the terrorists.
Just my little opinion,
Travis
PS imho, God wasnt trying to say anything. God gave men a choice, right or wrong. A group took a wrong choice, that choice affected the lives of millions. It is affecting the lives of people in Afganistan, Iraq, America, Quatar, (etc) for better or for worse.
With the responsibility of choice, comes the burden of consequence.
My grandpa says "You can git away runnin wild now boy, but its gonna run ya down in the end."
I suspect some karma has been collected, and that dogma peed all over the dharma.
Its my opinion that the tragedys such as those that happened on September 11, were not of God. God is a loving, caring, and involved entity, why would he "wake us up" in such a terrible manner?
Why wouldn't he? He has a long track record of it if you believe the Bible. God does it all the time.
He killed every living on earth and spared only an ark full of life.
God kills hundreds of thousands of innocent people for a census that he inspired, but was miscaclulated by David.
He created his own son to send down and die on a cross because...well, his reasoning there is illogical but it was for our own good somehow.
The list is endless. Why would he seem loving and caring and beyond being unreasonable enough to send a wake up call on 9/11?
Why wouldn't he? He has a long track record of it if you believe the Bible. God does it all the time.
He killed every living on earth and spared only an ark full of life.
God kills hundreds of thousands of innocent people for a census that he inspired, but was miscaclulated by David.
He created his own son to send down and die on a cross because...well, his reasoning there is illogical but it was for our own good somehow.
The list is endless. Why would he seem loving and caring and beyond being unreasonable enough to send a wake up call on 9/11?
God doesn't leave messages. If you're not at home when he calls, you tend to be out of luck.
If it were a message from God, Juber, what do you imagine it would have been? Wake up, you self-involved gluttons, and realize there's more to the world than the US of A, maybe?
If it were a message from God, Juber, what do you imagine it would have been? Wake up, you self-involved gluttons, and realize there's more to the world than the US of A, maybe?
QUOTE(Juber3 @ Nov 30 2002, 03:19 AM)
Do you think 9.11.02 was a wakeup call to america from God?
It's 2001 amigo & i think God was saying:
"YO Dudes...time to wake up & kick someone's butt again!"
God is modernizing his slang. He hasn't gotten "Dude...your getting a Dell" down yet ΤΏΤ
QUOTE(Wertz @ Dec 23 2002, 09:26 PM)
God doesn't leave messages. If you're not at home when he calls, you tend to be out of luck.
*BEEP* This is God. I am responding to your call. Call me at....
Was is a wake-up call from God? I don't think so but, It showed me that all humans are in this together and it is stupid to divide us black - white and republican - democrat. This years commercials during the football playoffs showed me a different side of human character, all those advertisers are cultural terrorists.
QUOTE(Danya @ Dec 22 2002, 02:19 PM)
Its my opinion that the tragedys such as those that happened on September 11, were not of God. God is a loving, caring, and involved entity, why would he "wake us up" in such a terrible manner?
Why wouldn't he? He has a long track record of it if you believe the Bible. God does it all the time.
He killed every living on earth and spared only an ark full of life.
God kills hundreds of thousands of innocent people for a census that he inspired, but was miscaclulated by David.
He created his own son to send down and die on a cross because...well, his reasoning there is illogical but it was for our own good somehow.
The list is endless. Why would he seem loving and caring and beyond being unreasonable enough to send a wake up call on 9/11?
Why wouldn't he? He has a long track record of it if you believe the Bible. God does it all the time.
He killed every living on earth and spared only an ark full of life.
God kills hundreds of thousands of innocent people for a census that he inspired, but was miscaclulated by David.
He created his own son to send down and die on a cross because...well, his reasoning there is illogical but it was for our own good somehow.
The list is endless. Why would he seem loving and caring and beyond being unreasonable enough to send a wake up call on 9/11?
You call God's decision to sacrifice his only son illogical. Throughout the ages God has sent prophets to tell his people to obey him, to follow him. And people listen for a little while, then return to their sinful ways. Today we worship celebrities instead of God, MTV instead of God, shiny new SUV's and big houses instead of God. God realizes that these earthly pleasures suffice for the limited time on earth. But beyond that they have no value. God's love and mercy extends to believers for eternity. Perhaps that is why saved christians are happy, even though to agnostics or atheists they may seem poor or "quaint". The fact that bad things happen on earth is merely a result of the fact that we as humans are fallible and will always suffer disease, sorrow, pain. God though has a place where none of those things occur, heaven. And you can't get there by being a "good" person, or by doing "good" things. You must believe in God, his son Jesus, and love him unconditionally.
Prophecies, hidden meanings and signs... they all tend to be just gross misinterpretations to me. I remember talking to one nut shortly after the September 11 tragedies who refrained from buying a car because of the terrorist attacks. His reasoning -- no better really than the topic of this post would encourage -- was that since the attacks happened while he was looking at cars, he wasn't meant to purchase a vehicle that day.
Bear in mind, this guy was, as I have said, a nut. Not everybody is quite this superficial or dense. But the reasoning is the same. We look to events and try to read into them using a misguided sense of logic (ad hoc ergo proper hoc: it happened after, therefore it happened because...) Many people tend not to leave room for random, meaningless events in their lives. It isn't because they don't happen (in fact, they happen all the time), but rather people don't want to deal with the uncertainty of such a world/life. Thus, we look for meaning.
On a side, but similar note, the same kind of reasoning extends to apply to people who see things like the Virgin Mary in their pancakes. As part of our psychological evolution, it benefits us to be able to identify things -- friendly or dangerous. It's been shown that we're prone to seeing patterns and pictures where none exist because of this feature... it's beneficial to the point that it overworks itself. If you think you see a pattern, don't just run with it... stop to really think about it first and you'll likely see that it only has as much meaning as you're willing to give it.
Bear in mind, this guy was, as I have said, a nut. Not everybody is quite this superficial or dense. But the reasoning is the same. We look to events and try to read into them using a misguided sense of logic (ad hoc ergo proper hoc: it happened after, therefore it happened because...) Many people tend not to leave room for random, meaningless events in their lives. It isn't because they don't happen (in fact, they happen all the time), but rather people don't want to deal with the uncertainty of such a world/life. Thus, we look for meaning.
On a side, but similar note, the same kind of reasoning extends to apply to people who see things like the Virgin Mary in their pancakes. As part of our psychological evolution, it benefits us to be able to identify things -- friendly or dangerous. It's been shown that we're prone to seeing patterns and pictures where none exist because of this feature... it's beneficial to the point that it overworks itself. If you think you see a pattern, don't just run with it... stop to really think about it first and you'll likely see that it only has as much meaning as you're willing to give it.
god is dead. (meaning the biblical one) man is waking up to this fact: we are all part of god and god is part of us.
september 11 was not a wake up call from "god", just as it wasn't "punishment" for the way america is (people like jerry falweel say it happened cause of the gays, socialists, femenists and what not. god was angry at us)
It should served as a wake up call that the government is not acting in our best interests, but in the interests of foreign governments and entities. the evidence is so obvious that some one other then AQ was responsible (take senator graham's statement that at least one foreign government assisted the hijackers, but we will not likely know until that info is turned over to the archives in 25-30 years. not something you say about an enemy you are looking to demonize. graham is the chairman or head or whateve it's called of the senate intelligence commitee (intell. meaning information, not smarts) this is really a subject for a new thread though.
it should have served as a wake up call that our government lies to us. it should have served as a wake up call to the truth. the people should have risen up in armed rebellion upon passage of the patriot act (were this the 1800's, we would have)
wether or not our government(or small portions of the intell, community) was involved directly or if the just sat on there hands and let the foreign government carry out their attack on america to create a police state and eviroment of fear (scared populations are FARRRR easier to control) I don't know. I just wish people would stop acting like sheep, think for themselves, and look at all the evidence that is out there and judge for themselves what they think happened, rather then blindly believe everything the american media bleats out (all media in america is owned by 5-10 companies, not sure on exact number) this is what september 11 should have done was wake us from our sleep as sheeple.
september 11 was not a wake up call from "god", just as it wasn't "punishment" for the way america is (people like jerry falweel say it happened cause of the gays, socialists, femenists and what not. god was angry at us)
It should served as a wake up call that the government is not acting in our best interests, but in the interests of foreign governments and entities. the evidence is so obvious that some one other then AQ was responsible (take senator graham's statement that at least one foreign government assisted the hijackers, but we will not likely know until that info is turned over to the archives in 25-30 years. not something you say about an enemy you are looking to demonize. graham is the chairman or head or whateve it's called of the senate intelligence commitee (intell. meaning information, not smarts) this is really a subject for a new thread though.
it should have served as a wake up call that our government lies to us. it should have served as a wake up call to the truth. the people should have risen up in armed rebellion upon passage of the patriot act (were this the 1800's, we would have)
wether or not our government(or small portions of the intell, community) was involved directly or if the just sat on there hands and let the foreign government carry out their attack on america to create a police state and eviroment of fear (scared populations are FARRRR easier to control) I don't know. I just wish people would stop acting like sheep, think for themselves, and look at all the evidence that is out there and judge for themselves what they think happened, rather then blindly believe everything the american media bleats out (all media in america is owned by 5-10 companies, not sure on exact number) this is what september 11 should have done was wake us from our sleep as sheeple.
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