Full Version: Spain's 9/11
QUOTE(kathaksung @ Mar 28 2004, 06:23 AM)
Though authority quickly said they found clues and Morocan suspects linked to Al Quada, it could be a manipulated case. In events of Islamic rebellion in Philippines and Monbasa terror attack, the hand behind terrorist were intelligence of US and Israel.
bombing used to flame the "partiot" feeling and "revenge" sentiment, just like what happen in 911 attack, Bush got "Patriot Act" passed and high approve rate. Aznar might get help on this bombing, otherwise he would have a even worse failure.
The event in Spain proves that democracy system in Spain still works. It's a sorrow that US is becoming a covert totalitarian country. Where intelligence control media and election, manipulate sentiment of public. They create incidents to justify a war.
For reason why I say US intelligence is behind the terrorist attack, see messages 191 to 199, 204, 205 at:
http://hometown.aol.com/katsung563/myhomepage/profile.html
bombing used to flame the "partiot" feeling and "revenge" sentiment, just like what happen in 911 attack, Bush got "Patriot Act" passed and high approve rate. Aznar might get help on this bombing, otherwise he would have a even worse failure.
The event in Spain proves that democracy system in Spain still works. It's a sorrow that US is becoming a covert totalitarian country. Where intelligence control media and election, manipulate sentiment of public. They create incidents to justify a war.
For reason why I say US intelligence is behind the terrorist attack, see messages 191 to 199, 204, 205 at:
http://hometown.aol.com/katsung563/myhomepage/profile.html
Your references are nothing more then the paraniod ranting on a blog. Do you have any real documentation to prove your claims that America and Israel were behind Islamic terrorist attacks in the Phillippines? Do you know that Islamic separatists in the Phillippines were making terrorist attacks fifty years before there was an Israel? I would also like to see the documentation of Bush doing the 9/11 massacres so as to get the Patriot Act passed. Can you name any Patriot act infringment on American citizen's rights that has been upheld in a court of law? The claims by some, that this act is a way of oppressing the American people, ala the Nazis, seems specious because of lack of any evidence of oppression.
All sane people are anti-war. However there is a difference between hiding under one's bed and pretending the WOT doesn't exist, and facing up to and fighting it. IMO, the Spanish are now in hiding. It will not keep them secure in the long run. European governments have realized the threat of Islamic Fundamentlism and the terrorist attacks it inspires even if the European people haven't.
Please post your factual documentation of "US intelligence is behind the terrorist attack" I would be interested in reading it.
1SG
QUOTE(GDAn204 @ Mar 28 2004, 02:32 PM)
All sane people are anti-war. However there is a difference between hiding under one's bed and pretending the WOT doesn't exist, and facing up to and fighting it. IMO, the Spanish are now in hiding. It will not keep them secure in the long run. European governments have realized the threat of Islamic Fundamentlism and the terrorist attacks it inspires even if the European people haven't.
I don't think the Spanish are in hiding. The fact that they are making a decision to leave Iraq doesn't have a direct link with the bombings of Madrid.
The newly elected soon-to-be prime minister made it clear that the spanish troops would leave the country, unless the authority over operations is being given to the UN. He considers that since the coalition hasn't got any legitimacy to act in Iraq, his troops had nothing to do there. It's just a question of right.
I agree with you that European governments have realized the threat of Islamic Fundamentalism. However, I'd like to correct you on one point : we, Europeans, have also realized that threat.
QUOTE(bucket @ Mar 11 2004, 03:33 PM)
No one has posted this news story I am a bit suprised..or daft and not able to locate it?
Madrid Bombings Kill at Least 190 Al Qaeda-Linked Group Claims Responsibility
What will Europe's response/reaction be to the startling fact that the terrorism that America and the Bush admin keeps warning us all of has finally made it's way to them?
Madrid Bombings Kill at Least 190 Al Qaeda-Linked Group Claims Responsibility
What will Europe's response/reaction be to the startling fact that the terrorism that America and the Bush admin keeps warning us all of has finally made it's way to them?
As far as I understand it, the terrorist attacks had little to do with how the voting occured. It wasn't as if people blamed Aznar for terrorism and voted against him when they intended to vote for him earlier. In actuality, the ruling party came off looking less than honest by blaming the Basque separatists. A lot of people didn't buy the Basque explanation from what I've read and felt the government wasn't being totally truthful. Add to that the fact that Aznar steered his nation into a conflict that the vast majority of people in his nation opposed, and it's easy to see how the people dumped him and his party faster than a bad habit. If anything, the main lesson here is--obey the masses, or else!
[QUOTE]If anything, the main lesson here is--obey the masses, or else!
Just curious here, when the country is divided almost 50/50 which mass is one to obey? Doesn't say much for a person being an individual and standing up for what they believe to be right does it?
Just curious here, when the country is divided almost 50/50 which mass is one to obey? Doesn't say much for a person being an individual and standing up for what they believe to be right does it?
[quote=Lethalletha,Mar 31 2004, 02:34 PM] [QUOTE]If anything, the main lesson here is--obey the masses, or else!
Just curious here, when the country is divided almost 50/50 which mass is one to obey? Doesn't say much for a person being an individual and standing up for what they believe to be right does it? [/quote]
Good morning Letha,
I believe this is why America was set up as a Representative Republic, not a democracy. There should be no tyranny of the masses or minority. In our divided nation, I believe it is a good thing we have the Electorial College. However if the percentage of Americans voted enmass as the Spanish did, they would elect the candidate of their choice.
IMO, an evenly divided nation means each ijndividual's vote is even more important.
1SG
Just curious here, when the country is divided almost 50/50 which mass is one to obey? Doesn't say much for a person being an individual and standing up for what they believe to be right does it? [/quote]
Good morning Letha,
I believe this is why America was set up as a Representative Republic, not a democracy. There should be no tyranny of the masses or minority. In our divided nation, I believe it is a good thing we have the Electorial College. However if the percentage of Americans voted enmass as the Spanish did, they would elect the candidate of their choice.
IMO, an evenly divided nation means each ijndividual's vote is even more important.
1SG
QUOTE(Lethalletha @ Mar 31 2004, 08:34 AM)
Just curious here, when the country is divided almost 50/50 which mass is one to obey? Doesn't say much for a person being an individual and standing up for what they believe to be right does it?
The moral of the message is that leaders who ignore the peopel for too long will end up without power. Hence, why Aznar was given the boot
and Zapatero was voted in 
Yes, courageous leaders take unpopular stands, but often times the value of what they are doing comes out shortly, it doesn't just become a situational smoke and mirrors so to speak.
QUOTE(GDan204 @ Mar 28 2004, 02:32 PM)
QUOTE(kathaksung @ Mar 28 2004, 06:23 AM)
Though authority quickly said they found clues and Morocan suspects linked to Al Quada, it could be a manipulated case. In events of Islamic rebellion in Philippines and Monbasa terror attack, the hand behind terrorist were intelligence of US and Israel.
bombing used to flame the "partiot" feeling and "revenge" sentiment, just like what happen in 911 attack, Bush got "Patriot Act" passed and high approve rate. Aznar might get help on this bombing, otherwise he would have a even worse failure.
The event in Spain proves that democracy system in Spain still works. It's a sorrow that US is becoming a covert totalitarian country. Where intelligence control media and election, manipulate sentiment of public. They create incidents to justify a war.
For reason why I say US intelligence is behind the terrorist attack, see messages 191 to 199, 204, 205 at:
http://hometown.aol.com/katsung563/myhomepage/profile.html
bombing used to flame the "partiot" feeling and "revenge" sentiment, just like what happen in 911 attack, Bush got "Patriot Act" passed and high approve rate. Aznar might get help on this bombing, otherwise he would have a even worse failure.
The event in Spain proves that democracy system in Spain still works. It's a sorrow that US is becoming a covert totalitarian country. Where intelligence control media and election, manipulate sentiment of public. They create incidents to justify a war.
For reason why I say US intelligence is behind the terrorist attack, see messages 191 to 199, 204, 205 at:
http://hometown.aol.com/katsung563/myhomepage/profile.html
Your references are nothing more then the paraniod ranting on a blog. Do you have any real documentation to prove your claims that America and Israel were behind Islamic terrorist attacks in the Philippines? Do you know that Islamic separatists in the Philippines were making terrorist attacks fifty years before there was an Israel? I would also like to see the documentation of Bush doing the 9/11 massacres so as to get the Patriot Act passed. Can you name any Patriot act infringment on American citizen's rights that has been upheld in a court of law? The claims by some, that this act is a way of oppressing the American people, ala the Nazis, seems specious because of lack of any evidence of oppression.
All sane people are anti-war. However there is a difference between hiding under one's bed and pretending the WOT doesn't exist, and facing up to and fighting it. IMO, the Spanish are now in hiding. It will not keep them secure in the long run. European governments have realized the threat of Islamic Fundamentlism and the terrorist attacks it inspires even if the European people haven't.
Please post your factual documentation of "US intelligence is behind the terrorist attack" I would be interested in reading it.
1SG
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Your references are nothing more then the paraniod ranting on a blog. Do you have any real documentation to prove your claims that America and Israel were behind Islamic terrorist attacks in the Phillippines? Do you know that Islamic separatists in the Phillippines were making terrorist attacks fifty years before there was an Israel? I would also like to see the documentation of Bush doing the 9/11 massacres so as to get the Patriot Act passed. Can you name any Patriot act infringment on American citizen's rights that has been upheld in a court of law? The claims by some, that this act is a way of oppressing the American people, ala the Nazis, seems specious because of lack of any evidence of oppression.
All sane people are anti-war. However there is a difference between hiding under one's bed and pretending the WOT doesn't exist, and facing up to and fighting it. IMO, the Spanish are now in hiding. It will not keep them secure in the long run. European governments have realized the threat of Islamic Fundamentlism and the terrorist attacks it inspires even if the European people haven't.
All sane people are anti-war. However there is a difference between hiding under one's bed and pretending the WOT doesn't exist, and facing up to and fighting it. IMO, the Spanish are now in hiding. It will not keep them secure in the long run. European governments have realized the threat of Islamic Fundamentlism and the terrorist attacks it inspires even if the European people haven't.
Sorry, I don't have the document you request. That's a privilege for the government officials, especially for intelligence, they can hide their corruption in the name of "top secret", "national interest"..... Even an independent investigate Commission is hard to get some official to testify under oath, how can a little figure like me to do so? Consider such kind of event is sensitive and would have been kept secret, (otherwise it's not an operation of intelligence), your request is impractical and a deliberate "making trouble" because you know it's impossible.
Lacking of document doesn't mean such things won't exist. I've talked about the Islamic rebellion of Philippines and URL, I listed the fact and have my opinion. What's yours? Because there was 50 years long history of rebellion so it's a proof that there is no government manipulation? Then I can tell you US government has a history of attempt to activate a terrorist attack to its own people to provoke a war. And luckily we have document this time about "operation Northwoods". It was planned by US Joint Chief of Staffs. "They called for hijacking jet airliners, attacking US military bases, blowing up US ships and wounding civilians in Miami, Florida and Washington, DC using paramilitary sniper teams then blame Cuba" the document says. "Casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of indignation."
So why can not Madrid bombing be done to blame Al Queda and help Aznar? If Operation Northwoods had been done, no doubt they would have found "Cuba terrorists". Perhaps that's why the "main suspects" of Madrid bombing were died in explosion to eliminate the trace.
Re: ABC News - Friendly Fire Book: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNew...efs_010501.html
"America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties "
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