Hero
Apr 12 2004, 08:12 PM
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Being repressed is part of Nazi ideology. They play up to people's feelings of being left out or discriminated against in some way (as absurd as it sounds).
I know exactly what you mean. The hate that the nazi groups have is the hate of the oppressed. They claim that every other race is orhestrating an attack on their race, through breeding, etc. They seek to "defend" the Aryan race. This defense is carried out through massive intolerance and the occasional hate crime to induce terror or on minority populations. If the government moved to censure or contain them it would be viewed as an attack by the "racially corrupt government," and would only fan the flames of discontent.
TennesseeLeftWinger
Apr 12 2004, 08:37 PM
I absolutely despise any and all hate groups out there, but that doesn't give me the right to tell them that they can't spread their hate or treat them like criminals. To begin with, the point has already been made that in a free and open society like ours, the open exchange of ideas will naturally allow for bad ideas to be relegated to the realm of ridicule (for the most part). I'd say that for every neo-Nazi out there who actively spreads his/her message, there are 1,000 normal people to laugh at them and blow them off. We're quite lucky to live in a society that allows for all ideas to be expressed; no matter how bad the ideas are, we can at least take solace in the fact that there is the freedom for those ideas to be expressed. If we were to begin to censor this speech because we didn't agree with it or felt that it would somehow incite violence, then we have set a very dangerous precedent (this of course doesn't apply to that speech that is a direct and specific threat of harm against a person, but the more general thought that, by simply hearing hateful speech, people will go out and cause mass violence- "The Passion of the Christ Syndrome", if you will). The arguments against monitoring these groups are just as strong. There is the fundamental doctrine in this country that every person is innocent until proven otherwise. No questions asked. Sure, we do have a tendency to make assumptions and assign guilt and innocence before a trial even starts, but the law and the courts do not (of course, let's be honest, it doesn't always work that way). These people who spew this vitriol are wrong to be sure, but they haven't committed a crime. If we monitor them like they are nothing more than criminals, then we are effectually saying that due process and free speech apply only to people whom the government agrees with. Let's not forget that the FBI at one time monitored Martin Luther King, Jr. and the ACLU among others. Surely we do not agree with that (well... some might agree with monitoring the latter, but that's beside the point)? Just because we do not agree with someone that does not give us cause to curtail their rights.
Edited for grammatical reasons.
jacko
May 5 2004, 03:05 PM
we have to right to express our opinions,
AS LONG AS THESE OPINIONS DONT INFRINGE ON OTHER PEOPLES RIGHTS.
so racist comments made in public oculd be seen as insighting racial hatred, a CRIME.
No good can come of organisations such as the KKK, BNP and NAZIS.
CobraNightViper
May 14 2004, 11:01 PM
I apologize if someone has already stated a view that I am about to put forth. If so, just begrudgingly accept the regurgitation...
These groups have a right to have their own opinions, and they have the right to exist, no matter how much we collectively may hate them. I like Henry Rollins' take on it. Whenever one of these groups has a rally, they will come dressed looking like retards, but yet it will be the protesters who often will be the bigger retards. Rather than shouting banter back and forth, and getting all angry about it, let the bigots have their say, listen to it, take it in, then spit out how they are wrong in a logical manner to the likes of which could blow their minds like a black man kissing a white woman (or a white man, that could possibly make it even more interesting).
Another reason as to why I would keep groups like this around is due to the fact that it makes us have to do better on education in order to keep people from falling into the trap that is bigoted beliefs. Taking a thought from Nietzsche, without strong competition one cannot become stronger. I have the same belief with keeping religions around, as much as I loathe them since I believe they collectively harm society, but that's another story. But without a strong enemy how can one become stronger?
nebraska29
May 15 2004, 01:52 PM
QUOTE(illuminati @ Mar 27 2004, 04:08 PM)
Should we outlaw meeting, membership and possession/wearing of uniforms and regalia of these organizations? What actions should be taken regarding these groups, if any?
Please explain and justify your point of view.
Others have said it-by banning them, we are fanning the flames for their movement and do nothing but help them out. Making them illegal will just make them all that attractive to those who want are attracted to that kind of thing. Let them wallow on in theirt anonymity and obscure existence. I don't care what clothes they were at all, that is protected under our constitution and I firmly believe that it is most protected when even those whom you revile, can say or express themselves publicy. Let them hang themselves with their own rope, don't turn them into civil liberties martyrs like Germany regularly does.
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