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Jaken
Even though im a republican i think the John Kerrys "no war" is a firm pollitical view that should not be over looked. But still VOTE REPUBLICAN
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Rev_DelFuego
Why does everyone forget Nader? rolleyes.gif
CruisingRam
Well, I always thought prior to GW that Reagan was the worst President since Hoover- but now I have revised that to GW as the worst president since Hoover- so Kerry is a no-brainer. w00t.gif
Cube Jockey
QUOTE(Rev_DelFuego @ Apr 2 2004, 08:21 PM)
Why does everyone forget Nader?  rolleyes.gif

I hope that is the case when we get to the polls if he doesn't drop out whistling.gif
Robert1
QUOTE(Rev_DelFuego @ Apr 2 2004, 08:21 PM)
Why does everyone forget Nader?  rolleyes.gif

A vote for Nader is a vote for bush ,Nader knows this even though he says bush is a bumbling moron .
Jaime
Any more one-liners in this thread and we close it. You all were asked to explain "why" you support your side of the debate. Please remember to do so.
Rancid Uncle
I would vote for Kerry over Bush.
From a self interest stand point it makes sense to me. Right now the US is in a lot of economic trouble because we gave the rich a huge tax cut. I think Kerry has a better chance to stop the budget deficit and stop the US currency from being devalued. Bush and all modern republican presidents haven't been able to balance a budget so I don't expect Dubya to change things in his next term.

From a homeland security point of view I would also vote for Kerry. I would feel safer going to NYC if Kerry was in charge of our foreign policy. Kerry's website says he will take some of the money from the tax increase on the rich and spend it on homeland security. Kerry plans to get 100,000 new fire-fighters out on the streets, improve port security and create standards for the city's first-responders across the country. With these new plans to help defend America and a strong but sane foreign policy I trust Kerry will do a great job.
Jaken
QUOTE(Rancid Uncle @ Apr 3 2004, 12:10 AM)
I would vote for Kerry over Bush.
  From a self interest stand point it makes sense to me.  Right now the US is in a lot of economic trouble because we gave the rich a huge tax cut.  I think Kerry has a better chance to stop the budget deficit and stop the US currency from being devalued.  Bush and all modern republican presidents haven't been able to balance a budget so I don't expect Dubya to change things in his next term.

From a homeland security point of view I would also vote for Kerry.  I would feel safer going to NYC if Kerry was in charge of our foreign policy.  Kerry's website says he will take some of the money from the tax increase on the rich and spend it on homeland security. Kerry plans to get 100,000 new fire-fighters out on the streets, improve port security and create standards for the city's first-responders across the country.  With these new plans to help defend America and a strong but sane foreign policy I trust Kerry will do a great job.

I see what you coming from but Kerry also doesn't support drilling in alaska, where i live and the ANWR drilling is a very important source of revenue for Alaskans. It creates jobs for people, native get money form the land leases and we get a yearly dividen that is about 1500 each year.
slim
I sincerely believe that GW Bush is the worst president to be in office in my lifetime. The economy, his constant effort to bring church and state together, his education plan, his public speaking abilities, and his arrogance all add up to one bad president. I'll miss having his Bushisms to read and be amused by, but that's the only thing I'll miss when he goes home to Texas.

I don't like the idea of voting for someone I'm not real fond of, but in this case I will have to. The only alternative is 4 more years of the worst President we've seen in a loooooooooooooooong time.
Jaken
QUOTE(slim @ Apr 3 2004, 02:14 AM)


I don't like the idea of voting for someone I'm not real fond of, but in this case I will have to.  The only alternative is 4 more years of the worst President we've seen in a loooooooooooooooong time.

What do you mean the worst president in a loooooong time. Remember Jimmy Carter? He did nothing when our embassy was captured in Iran, it was held for 400 days, 200 Americans were held hostage. The world did not respect him, people either don't know or forget this, on president Reagans innuragation ( he beat him ) day before Reagan was sworn in the Iranians gave up the hostages because they knew Reagan would come in and kick their commie *** NOTICE: THIS WORD IS AGAINST THE RULES. FAILURE TO REMOVE IT WILL RESULT IN A STRIKE. ***. THINK ABOUT THAT. Carter was a touchy feely left wing socialist.
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doomed_planet
QUOTE(Jaken @ Apr 3 2004, 05:41 AM)
What do you mean the worst president in a loooooong time. Remember Jimmy Carter? 

Are you saying that since (in your opinion) Jimmy Carter was a bad
president it is somehow okay for Bush to also be a bad president?
Or, are you saying that GWB is soooo wonderful compared to Carter?

Whatever you're trying to convey, it doesn't change my opinion of GWB.
I despise everything he stands for.

We do not yet know what kind of a president Kerry would make.
But, we do know what kind of a president that George W. has been.
It would stand to reason that we should do what it takes to get GWB
and his greedy staff out of office, come November.
nebraska29
QUOTE(Jaken @ Apr 2 2004, 11:41 PM)
What do you mean the worst president in a loooooong time. Remember Jimmy Carter? He did nothing when our embassy was captured in Iran, it was held for 400 days, 200 Americans were held hostage. The world did not respect him, people either don't know or forget this, on president Reagans innuragation ( he beat him ) day before Reagan was sworn in the Iranians gave up the hostages because they knew Reagan would come in and kick their commie *** NOTICE: THIS WORD IS AGAINST THE RULES. FAILURE TO REMOVE IT WILL RESULT IN A STRIKE. ***. THINK ABOUT THAT. Carter was a touchy feely left wing socialist.

Carter had his fair share of foreign policy disasters, no doubt about it. Then again, Reagan had 200 some odd Marines killed in Lebanon. The response?-we cut and ran. Fortunately for him, it didn't occur close to an electin year, which is what haunted Carter.

A feely-leftist?? Are you talking about the same man who did nothing as right wing goon squads in El Salvador and other Latin American nations were busy slaughtering the people?


The hostage release was a political thing, but it wasn't done out of fear. Remember, it was under Reagan that the Achille Laura, TWA, and disco bombings occured. It wasn't as if the terrorists were afraid to act.
Hugo
Carter is now 80, Reagan is now a vacuos idiot. Let us get back to Bush and Kerry, the nominees. Can't vote for either of the big government liberals myself.
Jaime
Thanks for trying to steer the topic back, Hugo.

FINAL WARNING BEFORE THREAD CLOSURE. Stay on topic.

DEBATE:
If you were not invovled with a certain pollitical party who do you think would make the best president. Whos views would be best for our country and why?
Watcher
Supposing I could vote...
I would vote for John Kerry becuase I really don't like the way the world views Americans right now. George Bush has really annoyed a lot of people in Europe and in the rest of the world. I really don't want him to be president for another four years.
America has the ability to be either the "Big Brother" of the world or else the "Big Bully". With Bush as the president, we've been the Bully. Bush basically conveyed to the UN that we don't need them-we can do things ourselves. (I'm not saying that we shouldn't have taken out Saddam, but that we should have waited until we had the backing of the UN)
I think we'd be better off with just about anybody else as president than GWB.
John Kerry is not as much of a warmonger (at least in my opinion) as GWB has been. I think that, for safety of Americans abroad, that John Kerry would be a better president.
Jaken
QUOTE(Watcher @ Apr 3 2004, 09:10 PM)

America has the ability to be either the "Big Brother" of the world or else the "Big Bully".  With Bush as the president, we've been the Bully.

I have to agree with you there, but Bush has done alot of good things in his term. The medicare plan, though a little flawed still a step in the right direction. and the tax cuts, i know people are like "its tax cuts for the rich" i make 80,000 dollars a year and I has to give up a third in taxes, thats not rich is it.

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Titus
I picked Bush because Kerry has not put forth any real solutions to any problems we have. That's not to say Bush is providing all the answers either, but I'm not gonna trade down for something.

I was looking at Kerry's offical website and in regards to Iraq he mentioned things like needing get a 'new' coalition together (which sounds like potentially butt kissing the french and the Germans to get on board more actively), needing to better pay the Iraqi soldiers who are deserting in droves, needing to get the UN to play more of an adminsitrative role, and needing to create two more Army divisions (divisions of what? not everybody signs up to be an infantryman).

All I hear are needs. No plans. Does that mean we shouldn't try to find a better way overall. No. But I mean, at least Clark had a few plans that involved rotating troops and the like. And if it came down to it, I would of voted for Clark. But, there's always 2008. And I hope he beats Hillary. In any event, like I said, I would trade down.

Not to mentions he flip-flops more than a fish out of water...
Jaken
QUOTE(Titus @ Apr 4 2004, 03:38 AM)


Not to mentions he flip-flops more than a fish out of water...

HAHAHAH, thats great. I have to agree with you on your position, he is always saying we need this but he doesnot have an immediate sollution.
Paladin Elspeth
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I have to agree with you on your position, he is always saying we need this but he doesnot have an immediate sollution.


I don't recall George W. Bush having a lot of immediate solutions for this country when he was running for President. Aside from tax cuts (the most, of course, going to those who need it least), war, and federal programs without funding for education, as well as a prescription drug program that they had to fudge about the actual cost to get Congress to pass, just what has he done for this country?
ConservPat
Bush, no question about it. Kerry flip flops on issues, is soft on defense, and will raise taxes...I'm not the biggest Bush fan but John Kerry as President is not a thought that I enjoy having.

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D Gordon
Well the reason that kerry "flip flops" on issuse is that hind sight is 20/20 he supported the war in iraq but when there were no WMD's, now is Kerry my favorite, no is nader my favorite no, but I can't stand bush.
Jaime
CLOSED. Seems like we're just not going to have a constructive debate in this thread. Maybe we can try again when people are willing to post more than one-liners. sad.gif
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