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Listening to the BBC broadcast, I find it slightly troubling that the statement to the effect of "I find it troubling that bin Laden's stance seems rational, while the Bush/Blair position seems irrational" received more applause than the statement by Geoff Hoon that those who see accepting this as a possibility are deluding themselves.
I think Susan Kramer's remark was meant to indicate her concern that Bin Laden
sounds closer to how a large portion of how Europeans are feeling. What she actually says with regards to Bush and Blair is that Bin Laden is using their inflexible stance, especially with regards to the recent developments in Israel, to make himself seem the reasonable party.
I don't believe, and I don't think Susan Kramer believes, that Osama Bin Laden is at all 'reasonable'.
I think rather that the fear is that Blair and Bush have been out maneuvered by what is a cunning piece of 'psy-ops' by Bin Laden specifically meant for the people of Europe and not the European leadership. Obviously Bin Laden has adopted European rhetoric in order to attempt to hammer a wedge between the various nations involved in fighting terrorism and I think the applause Susan Kramers remarks generated reflects the common perception in Britain and Europe that our leaders, by adopting the double standard of continually letting Israel off the hook, are not seriously addressing our position with regards to the root cause of all this terrorism.
Michael Ankrom (sp?) who spoke prior to Susan Kramer also said something similar when he made the point that the terrorists, by exploding their bombs in Madrid directly before the Spanish elections, have managed to take responsibility for the results, regardless of the fact that the election results may very well
not have been influenced by the bombings at all. This he points out is very dangerous, because it leaves the impression that terrorism works.
Mr Hoons answer, though valid, does not seek to address this point either. He merely states that we can't accept this absurd demand from Bin Laden. Since this is a given, then his answer I'm afraid, does not look beyond the obvious.
As a member of the British cabinet, he alone on the panel has the insight into British government thinking on this issue, and yet he reveals no particular interest in answering the unspoken question of why is all this happening at all. He merely replies that we must retaliate against these terrorists.
The vast majority of Europeans, whilst agreeing with that sentiment, are not satisfied by it. They/ we want to know why our leaders, why Bush and Blair continue to allow Israel the freedom to act in the way it does.
I might as well point out that on the basis of his record in previous decades Ariel Sharon is widely perceived in Europe to be a war criminal not much better than Bin Laden himself. Whilst this may not be the case in the United States, it was in Israel when Sharon was found guilty of causing mass civilian deaths in Beirut.
Whether he did or not though is not my point. My point is that many over here believe Sharon is a wolf in sheeps clothing who has been allowed to do pretty much as he pleases, kill who he wishes and act in a manner which many over here regard just as much as terrorism as the attack on the World Trade Centre.
The difference (or should I say the problem with the difference?) between how Americans
seem to be looking at this 'War on Terrorism' and how Europeans are looking at it, is the perception that America does not fully understand why we are seeing this wave of terrorism.
In Europe the perception is that the west has caused so great an imbalance between the middle east and the west by its continued interference in the region, and its unquestioning support of Israel, that we ourselves are responsible for this terrorist movement. That by pushing these people further and further we have now come to the point where we have pushed them over the edge.
This point of view I believe has a certain validity. We, in Europe and America have been meddling in the region for centuries now, Even Napoleon put troops into the middle east, and one has to be naive to think they would thank us for that. Would you, or any other American calmly accept outside interference in how America was run?
Wasn't America founded as a republic on the basis of wishing just such a freedom?
To Clarify; My point is that there is a gap between Europe and America which has been widening throughout this conflict. It is this gap that Bin Laden is trying to use, for his own nefarious purposes, and it is this gap which if anything, threatens the fight against terrorism far more than the terrorists themselves.
Whilst it is for Europe to reign in its more ambivalent elements with regards to the middle east and the validity of the War against terrorism, it is also time for the American people to come to the understanding that for as long as America continues to blindly support Israel regardless of that nations violations of UN resolutions whilst using the UN as a tool to continue to interfere in other middle eastern nations then it will not matter if we catch or kill Bin Laden or Sadr because there will be ten more Bin Ladens and Sadr's waiting to take their place.
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As a side note...the new President of Spain was quick to announce, after Osama's tape became public, that he will not negotiate with Osama or terrorists period. Now what does his condemnation against Osama's peace offer do to his threat to Bush of withdrawing Spain's troops from Iraq at the end of June? Osama just may have made it quite embarrassing for the President of Spain to withdraw troops or it will look like he is honoring Osama's peace offering.
This is a very good question. It reflects the question of what will America do when it is the time to hand over authority to the Iraqi council? However I must point out that the Spanish president did not threaten Bush with pulling Spains soldiers from Iraq. He promised the Spanish people to disengage Spain from a perceived illegal war which had nothing to do with terrorism. The difference may appear subtle, but in light of Bin Ladens attempts to use Spain's policies as a tool I think the distinction is very important. If the common perception is that Spain is leaving Iraq due to terrorist pressure then Bin Laden gains.
America is currently building permanent military installations in Iraq to replace those it will vacate in Saudi Arabia and cannot really up and leave Iraq now. Just as the new Spanish government must carry out their policy whilst not being seen to cater to terrorist demands, so must America continue to dominate Iraq whilst appearing to be guests of that nation.
In either case, the problem lies in one of perception. If the Spanish are seen to be weak, then this will certainly breed further confidence on behalf of the terrorists. In the same way, if the Americans in Iraq are seen to be an unwelcome military presence then they will undermine the Iraqi authority they themselves put in power.
The answer, I believe is for the Spanish to continue as they have said they would. The Socialist government came to power on the basis of pulling its troops out of Iraq whilst continuing to focus on Afghanistan and the hunt for Osama Bin Laden. They must do just that. What the answer for the Americans is I do not rightly know. For my own part I cannot fully bring myself to support the use of one nation by another for geopolitical gain which is what I believe is and always has been America's agenda in Iraq.
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When we see how many different factions (inside and outside which make for strange bed partners) are joining forces in Iraq with the common goal to disrupt Iraq from establishing a democracy...it does enforce the idea that although their ideologies are vastly different, they share a common ultimate goal that unites them to further their cause and achieve their goals.
This is indeed the very clear danger which the fight against terrorism risks and the very thing Bin Laden is banking on. He knows that a heavy handed approach by the coalition will push more and more people in his direction.
...and its this that scares me the most. Watching Blair simply following Bush who is simply following Sharon and all in the name of a show of unity and strength is like the blind leading the blind whilst following the deaf.
I cannot comprehend any reason that justifies allowing Israel to violate United Nations resolutions whilst enforcing other such resolutions against Iraq. There is no justification or excuse for such an imbalance between the two. Not the Holocaust nor Israel's democracy excuses it.
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The U. S. and its allies do not negotiate with the likes of Osama/al Qadea and terrorists in general. IMO, the European leaders wanted to publicly reaffirm their sentiments to their peoples and the world-allies and foes. Remember Bush's warning to all..."You are either with us or against us in the WOT....if you harbor, finance or aid the terrorists in any way...you are just as guilty as the terrorists."
For my part I most fully agree with this sentiment. However, I'm afraid we certainly do negotiate with terrorists when its to our perceived advantage. Tony Blair negotiated with the IRA back in the nineties to end the troubles in Northern Ireland, and more recently he was seen shaking the hand of the dictator/ terrorist leader, Ghaddafi.
Now, I personally do not know how much blood there is on Ghaddafi's hands, but I do know that I personally would never allow myself to stoop so low as to show such a dictator any respect what so ever, regardless of whether or not he was guilty of terrorism.
Again, it is this indefensible division of favour between one party and another which so charaterizes the west's position in relationship to the middle east that Bin Laden has seized upon and which, so long as it continues will ever be the fuel for the terrorist fire.