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Aquilla
In another thread here, nighttimer as an aside stated the following.....

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I want more from the media that flags in the lapel and embedded reports from journalists. I want to know about the reopened schools, the functioning hospitals, the repaved streets and the good works that America is bringing to Iraq.


Ask and ye shall receive. thumbsup.gif I just happened to open my E-Mail a few days ago and found a letter there from a medic in the Iowa Army National Guard currently deployed in Iraq. He talks about some things that we don't often hear about and asked that I share it with others. Some pretty amazing stuff.....

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        As I head off to Baghdad for the final weeks of my stay in Iraq, I
wanted to say thanks to all of you who did not believe the media. They  have
done a very poor job of covering everything that has happened.  I am sorry
that I have not been able to visit all of you during my two  week leave back
home.  And just so you can rest at night knowing something is happening in
Iraq that is noteworthy, I thought I would pass this on to you.  This is the
list of things that has happened in Iraq recently: (Please share it with
your friends and compare it to the version that your paper is producing.)

* Over 400,000 kids have up-to-date immunizations.
* School attendance is up 80% from levels before the war.
* Over 1,500 schools have been renovated and rid of the weapons stored there
so education can occur.
* The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be off-loaded from ships
faster.
* The country had its first 2 billion barrel export of oil in August.
* Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water for the first time ever
in Iraq.
* The country now receives 2 times the electrical power it did before the
war.
* 100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed, compared to 35% before
the war.
* Elections are taking place in every major city, and city councils are in
place.
* Sewer and water lines are installed in every major city.
* Over 60,000 police are patrolling the streets.
* Over 100,000 Iraqi civil defense police are securing the country.
* Over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers are patrolling the streets side by side with US
soldiers.
* Over 400,000 people have telephones for the first time ever.
* Students are taught field sanitation and hand washing techniques to
prevent the spread of germs.
* An interim constitution has been signed.
* Girls are allowed to attend school.
* Textbooks that don't mention Saddam are in the schools for the first time
in 30 years.

        Don't believe for one second that these people do not want us there.
I have met many, many people from Iraq that want us there, and in a bad way.
They say they will never see the freedoms we talk about but they hope their
children will.  We are doing a good job in Iraq and I challenge anyone,
anywhere to dispute me on these facts.  So If you happen to run into John
Kerry, be sure to give him my email address and send him to Denison, Iowa.
This soldier will set him straight. If you are like me and very disgusted
with how this period of rebuilding has been portrayed, email this to a
friend and let them know there are good things happening.

Ray Reynolds, SFC
Iowa Army National Guard
234th Signal Battalion




Question for discussion.... drumroll.gif

Why aren't we hearing the WHOLE story from our journalists?
Does the press have an agenda, or are stories like Ray's just simply "Not news"?
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Dontreadonme
While I would agree that much of the E-mail is true, it certainly has made it's rounds on the internet. So much so, that snopes has an entry about it.
Snopes

Additionally, for what it's worth, there is a rebuttal posted at the lefty site Voices In The Wilderness.
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CruisingRam
My first question is when I see this: Is this a real letter from a real soldier or just another right wing web tall tale? There have been many just like this. The partisan nature of the letter and mentioning John Kerry both have me wondering. I recieve at least 4 e-mails a week from one of the 12 family members I have in or around Iraq right now, and not one of them is political in nature, nor do they talk abou the "good" they are doing there- they talk about thier life there and how (military) life sucks (now, Aquilla, we both know if a soldier ain't complaining, he ain't breathin'!! thumbsup.gif )- but the whole letter rings untrue to me.

Yes, we are probably doing good and some level- but is it news? I remember back in the 50s a quote from Edward R Murrow "good news is usually propaganda"- if you read propaganda, from our own country or any other- it always tells of what a glowing job the goverment is doing, instead of telling the mistakes.

1: the letter would have to be verifyable

2: It is not news, it is propaganda for the Bush Admin, nothing more.


Edit- thanks DTOM- at the very least, the letter is untrue because the author is not real.

Edit again- the response by the Iraqi citizen shows why the press would be irresponsible to even try to air some of those "facts"- because they are pure propaganda on it's face!

Aquilla- you are a regular debater here and a pretty bright guy- why did you pick this obvious right wing drivel to post? hmmm.gif
Mrs. Pigpen
Why aren't we hearing the WHOLE story from our journalists?

I don't know why we aren't hearing the whole story. Probably because good news doesn't sell as well as the bad? I was wondering the same thing. A tanker pilot friend just spent a few days at our house. He often deploys, and just got back from a rotation in the Middle East. He said he met many Marines in Iraq who indicated that the media was printing only one percent of the information (the bad part). These were soldiers in forces that had seen major combat recently. They indicated that, as a whole, the population of Iraq seemed amicable. They were invited to Iraqi houses for dinner almost daily. blink.gif

Edited to add: I guess we're all posting at the same time. blush.gif I like truthorfiction the best. Much of this letter is true. Here is the entire rundown.
Dontreadonme
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thanks DTOM- at the very least, the letter is untrue because the author is not real.

Actually, Snopes says the author is real, and that he did write it. So, while the contents may be factually inaccurate, it doesn't seem to be propaganda from the Bush administration.
CruisingRam
Variations of this item have been forwarded under so many different names (most of them U.S. military personnel serving in Iraq) that it's difficult to determine who the original author was. The earliest known antecedent appears to be a Coalition Provisional Authority briefing given by L. Paul Bremer, the U.S. Presidential Envoy to Iraq (the highest-ranking U.S. civilian official in Iraq) on 9 October 2003. Some of the accomplishments cited in this piece were echoed in an 8 December 2003 Forbes magazine article by Caspar W. Weinberger, who served as Secretary of Defense during the Reagan administration.

It does not say that this was the real author.

Coming out of Paul Bremner's mouth- THAT makes it propaganda from the GW regime.
Dontreadonme
CR, sorry, it wasn't snopes, it was Orwelliantimes that stated:
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This is how Sgt. Reynolds responds to inquiries about his message:

"I did write it and I am in Kuwait now on my way home. I wrote it while at home because I felt that too many people were exploiting the violence in Iraq to sell papers and gain votes. Sometimes the silent majority need to be awakened to respond to the bad things in our world. I am passionate about our President's decision and support this rebuilding whole heartedly...Yes legit..I am a fire fighter in Denison, Iowa and to verify, call Mike McKinnon of the Denison Iowa fire department."


Link
Look for 26 April. BTW if you'll notice the links on the web page, they can hardly be construed as right wing.
Mrs. Pigpen
CR, we have a lot of real, living participants who are stationed in Iraq right now on this very forum. They are indicating some pretty positive things overall...although it is cloudy in the last few days with the awful POW stuff. Are they all GW regime propagandists, too?
CruisingRam
QUOTE(Dontreadonme @ May 6 2004, 12:04 PM)
CR, sorry, it wasn't snopes, it was Orwelliantimes that stated:
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This is how Sgt. Reynolds responds to inquiries about his message:

"I did write it and I am in Kuwait now on my way home. I wrote it while at home because I felt that too many people were exploiting the violence in Iraq to sell papers and gain votes. Sometimes the silent majority need to be awakened to respond to the bad things in our world. I am passionate about our President's decision and support this rebuilding whole heartedly...Yes legit..I am a fire fighter in Denison, Iowa and to verify, call Mike McKinnon of the Denison Iowa fire department."


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Look for 26 April. BTW if you'll notice the links on the web page, they can hardly be construed as right wing.

So he cut and pasted Paul Bremner's speech, along with Casper Wienburger's, added some of his own verbage- and called it his own? hmmm.gif

The analogy still stands- if you are parroting the party line, while taking shots at the opposite side, and ignoring the reality of the situation (as the rebuttal shows)- it is propaganda.
moif
Although I doubt any of you speak Danish, here is an article from the Danish Army's web site which talks about how the Danish contingent has been busy buyning and destroying illegal weapons, and there are a couple of images smile.gif

http://www.hok.dk/more.php?id=779_0_1_0_M

This story has not made the main Danish media of course since they're busy talking about the latest developments from Washington, but then again, how interesting is it that our troops blew up some munitions in a hole in the ground?

We do that all year round any way with all the surplus munitions from the second world we keep finding in the sea...

On the HOK site there are also some other stories;

2 Danish soldiers have been subjected to an inquest regarding their behaviour towards civilians during a a house search. One was found guilty of harrasseing local Iraqi's, the other was found innocent. The guilty man is to be shipped home and 'corrected' ...meaning he'll probably be asked to leave the militray I guess.

Two Danish comedians travelled down to Iraq to entertain the troops with the latest jokes from home and fun was had by all.

The enigineers troop at Camp Eden have delighted the other soldiers with culinary experiments, including hot dogs made with local produce.. ermm.gif

A Danish patrol came under fire when it strayed between two local warring factions having a battle. After receiving a few bursts of automatic gunfire, the Danes withdrew and left the Iraqi's to their fun n games... (I have to wonder at why exactly the Iraqis are able to have private battles... but the article does not specify why)

Whats even more astounding though, is not the trivial nature of most of the 'good news' but rather that the Danish KFOR brigade captured Samit Lushtaku and no one said a word.. blink.gif

(For those that don't him, Samit Lushtaku is a serious mafioso and mass murder type from kosovo)
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Mustang
There is a lot of good happening in Iraq, and it is not surprising that the media does not report much of it. If it bleeds, it leads is a very old saying, and true because of simple human nature. As much as people decry the lack of positive reporting, previous experience and marketing studies have shown the media moguls that the majority of their target audience will tune in more frequently to negative news - meaning news depicting violence, disasters, and scandals.

Back to the positive. During my time in Iraq, one of the most positive things I saw was the use of CERP (Commander's Emergency Response Program) funds by the tactical units. This went down to brigade, and sometimes battalion, level. The tactical units used these for projects in the community in which they were based. All divisions and some brigades had Effects Coordination Cells, which tracked the aid tied in with local military and political efforts, to ensure that it was given in ways that really help with hearts and minds and influence, and the effects were continually validated to make sure that they were lasting and met local needs.

In many ways, although the tactical units often had shortages of CERP funds, they manner in which they were used were more effective than the larger effort under the CPA. This is due to the synchronization between aid distribution and effect tracking that the tactical units carried out, but which was totally lacking in most CPA and contractor efforts. (This is not to say that all the tactical units used their CERP funds effectively - but many certainly did.)

The USAID Weekly Update is an excellent resource for keeping informed on the progress of reconstruction: Iraq Humanitarian and Reconstruction Assistance Updates
Hobbes
CR,

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The analogy still stands- if you are parroting the party line, while taking shots at the opposite side, and ignoring the reality of the situation (as the rebuttal shows)- it is propaganda.


Did you actually read the rebuttal? I am curious, because I read it and came away with this common thought. Almost everything said there could be paraphrased as 'things are getting better, just not as quickly as we thought they would'. Not exactly a resounding rebuttal--speaks more to unrealistic expectations than anything else. The power plants being a perfect example. It takes several years to build plants--to expect sufficient power before then is simply unrealistic. No one should be blamed for failing to meet unrealistic expectations--especially when the main point (which she agreed with) is that no one needs to live in fear of Saddam, Uday, or Qusay anymore. In a year or two, everything mentioned in her article will be a forgotten memory, and what will remain is the fact that Iraq is in fact free, and the economy and everything else is in fact much better. Everyone knew this would be a long-term, tedious job--nothing in her article indicates it isn't being done. Slowly?...perhaps. Shoddily, sometimes? In schools, seems like it might be. But being done, and improvements on prior situation? Absolutely.
Piper Plexed
CruisingRam Posted on May 6 2004, 03:14 PM
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The analogy still stands- if you are parroting the party line, while taking shots at the opposite side, and ignoring the reality of the situation (as the rebuttal shows)- it is propaganda.


So what is the reality of the situation? I'm not there so I don't know...
So this brings us to the Debate Question doesn't it?

Why aren't we hearing the WHOLE story from our journalists?
Does the press have an agenda, or are stories like Ray's just simply "Not news"?


Now if I were wearing my Democrat Blinders I would readily say "If it is good it is Propaganda , if it is Bad it is the Truth and News worthy". I refuse to believe that only Bad things are happening in Iraq, just cause my party doesn't want to acknowledge the good does not make it true, the whole idea is just absurd. There is an obvious reason why the Dem Party doesn't want to highlight the positive, they want the oval office back. The next question is why doesn't the media highlight the good stuff, IMO it is one of two reasons, sensationalism sells and Good stuff just isn't sensational enough or they may prefer having a Dem in office so lets only cover the bad. IMO what I have viewed in the news since the beginnings of the Dem Caucuses has been irresponsible journalism at it's worst. The role of journalism in a free and open society is to report the news, all of it without value judgement and irregardless of the ratings the story may draw. Since we are engaged in a foreign Country all activities good or bad must be relayed to the people back home.THAT IS THEIR JOB, and they have been remiss in their duties.

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CruisingRam
The way propaganda works is to tell PART of the truth in glowing terms as possible- but NOT the actual reality- such as, yes, things are being built, but not in as glowing terms as this letter suggests.

Of course- all of that rebuilding begs the question as well- why aren't we rebuilding our own school system, etc with this money? Which is not being asked in this letter as well- though of course, fodder for a different thread- but a natural lead in for the press as well.

Have you ever read Pravda before from the 70s? Many of the times, they just reported word for word a factual, non-editorial piece on gang or mafia violence or just print the FBIs own statistics on crime in the US- but not report any of thier own problems, and only print the good things the goverment did. This is in the same vien as what you wish.
Aquilla
QUOTE(CruisingRam @ May 6 2004, 01:58 PM)
The way propaganda works is to tell PART of the truth in glowing terms as possible- but NOT the actual reality- such as, yes, things are being built, but not in as glowing terms as this letter suggests.


And that's the entire point of this thread and why I used the term WHOLE truth. If you want to claim that this letter is simply right wing propoganda because it only reports the positive things, then by implication, the news media coverage has been left wing propoganda because it only covers the negative things. They are only telling one side of the story and quite frankly, it's more their job to cover both sides than Ray's. And they aren't.
Cube Jockey
Why aren't we hearing the WHOLE story from our journalists? Does the press have an agenda, or are stories like Ray's just simply "Not news"?

I tend to believe that the media is probably portraying things that will make them money. It has nothing to do with politics or an agenda. If this were a political matter then why aren't right wing news sources broadcasting the "good" things about Iraq? I don't generally make a habit of watching Fox News, as an example, but hasn't their coverage been the same as everyone else's, albeit praising Bush's leadership where possible?

I'm sure there are many improvements happening in Iraq, but as long as American soldiers are dying daily in bombings and public opinion is anti-war the news outlets are going to bring you stories to that effect.
Piper Plexed
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Situation in Iraq

Bush's rating on his handling of the situation in Iraq -- now at 42% -- has fallen 19 points since January and is three points below the previous low rating (last November).

George W. Bush’s Job Approval on
The Situation in Iraq
June 2003 -- Present

By the time the major fighting in Iraq had ended last April, 76% of Americans expressed approval for the way Bush was handling the situation in Iraq. Last month, his rating on handling Iraq was 48%.

The current poll was conducted Sunday night through Tuesday night. Allegations that American soldiers had abused Iraqi detainees dominated news coverage during this time, but the public apologies and appearances by Bush have intensified the focus on the situation there in the past couple of days. The full impact of the abuse allegations and Bush's response may not yet be reflected in these poll findings.

For more polls;
http://www.gallup.com/content/?ci=11602

What I get from the polls is that the country remains pretty divided in support of Bush and related issues. The question I feel that needs to be addressed is that if we had a less biased representation of the progress in Iraq. would it not subsequently reflect in public opinion polls? If Bush retains such support with the media's negative slant in the news (as of lately) would he not be a shoe in for another Term, is that what they are afraid of? Don't get me wrong, I don't see a huge conspiracy going on, what I have seen lately "on the news" has certainly given me pause and I question the motives.
jenreiautter
The only good news about the Iraq invasion was the capture of Saddam Hussein and the ending of sanctions. But it can be argued that the cons outweigh the pros in Iraq.

A friend of mine recently sent me this document which de-spins, or at least puts into a realistic perspective, a lot of the issues from the letter:

here are a few of the points de-spun. The article covers more points. ORWELLIANTIMES.COM

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Over 400,000 kids have up-to-date immunizations

This is interesting. A lot of kids have been immunized in Iraq. In fact, last year the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) "25 million doses of vaccines to Iraq to help prevent the spread of polio, tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis, measles, and tuberculosis -- considered the main killers of children in developing countries."[*] At the time, UNICEF spokesman Gordon Weiss explained that the children of Iraq would need several stages of repeated immunizations for the immunizations to be effective:
"Iraq is in a particularly delicate stage at the moment -- postwar, with a lot of the health system having broken down and a lot of the water systems having broken down, as well. So children are more than ever this year vulnerable to water-borne diseases. Usually you don't vaccinate just once, you vaccinate a number of times in order to have the vaccinations work."[*]

snip

I also don't know where the 400,000 number came from. Last year, Iraq had approximately 4.2 million children in Iraq under the age of five. If fewer than 10% of young Iraqi children have up-to-date immunizations out of the millions who have been on an immunization schedule and are exposed, that would seem to be a serious failure.

That being said, hundred of thousands of immunized children has got to be a good thing.

The country had its first 2 billion barrel export of oil in August.

Nonsense. First, there's nothing in the Fact Sheet about oil. Iraq is presently exporting approximately 1.9 million barrels of oil a day, or under 60 million barrels per month. And that's going to be difficult to maintain. You probably already know that insurgent attacks have been limiting the exports.[*] In August -- the supposed 2 billion barrel month -- Iraq was expecting to export fewer than 1.2 million barrels a day, about 37 million barrels for the month.[*]

Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water for the first time ever in Iraq.

Here's what the Fact Sheet says:

"Iraq has 13 major wastewater facilities. Baghdad's three facilities are currently inoperable and comprise three quarters of the nation's sewage treatment capacity. Raw waste flows directly into the Tigris River. In the rest of the country, most wastewater treatment facilities were only partly operational before the conflict, and a shortage of electricity, parts, and chemicals has exacerbated the situation and only a few wastewater treatment plants are operational. Iraq's 140 major water treatment facilities operate at about 65 percent of the pre-war level of three billion liters a day."

Water does appear to be getting to a lot more people. But, apparently, at a price. A witness from Basra last month claimed:

"The [water] plant seems to be working well . . . This plant is up and going and provides water for a huge number of people. Someone is constructing a new plant to expand so that there is drinking water. I have not met anyone here yet despite the poverty who is not buying drinking water."[*]

The country now receives 2 times the electrical power it did before the war.
Not true. According to the Fact Sheet, on March 11, 2004, power peaked at approximately 92% of "the pre-conflict generating level". ABC reports that power generation is off since last October and is averaging somewhere around pre-conflict generation.[*]

100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed, compared to 35% before the war.

Not true. The Fact Sheet provides no information about this. But, the Washington Post on March 5, 2004 reported[*]:

"Health Minister Khudair Fadhil Abbas said about 90 percent of the hospitals and clinics have been brought back to the same poor conditions as before the war but that the others will take more time to reach even that low level."

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Elections are taking place in every major city, and city councils are in place.

False. In June, 2003, US authorities put a halt to local elections. We installed mayors and administrators of our choosing.[*]

Over 60,000 police are patrolling the streets.

I don't know how many Iraqi police are on duty, given widespread desertions.[*] But, we know how many police are in the New York Police Department -- 39,110.[*] According to the 2000 Census, NY City had a population of more than 8 million and covered an area of 320 square miles.[*] According to 1993 estimates, the population of Iraq is about 19,435,000.[*] Iraq is about the size of California, approximately 171,000 square miles.[*]

snip

Over 400,000 people have telephones for the first time ever.

Not true. The Fact Sheet says that before we invaded 1.2 million Iraqis had "subscribed to landline telephone service." As of March 9, 2004, "104,680 subscribers to the Iraqi landline phone network were reconnected." Repairs have reconnected some form of telephone service between Baghdad and 20 other cities.

Girls are allowed to attend school.

True, but not because of the invasion. Girls were allowed to attend school during Saddam's rule. Between 1997-2000 82% as many girls attended primary school as did boys. 62% as many girls attended high school as did boys, during the same period.[*]
turnea
QUOTE(jenreiautter @ May 6 2004, 05:36 PM)
The only good news about the Iraq invasion was the capture of Saddam Hussein and the ending of sanctions.

Absolutely false...

Let's start with a overview
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Dr David Nabarro, a senior manager working on the World Health Organisation's Iraq programme, says the overall picture is one of improvement:

"For the majority of Iraqis, health care is much more accessible at affordable rates than before the war."[...]
Unicef says services at about 80% of Iraq's primary health centres have been restored or improved, including major reconstruction work at about 50 centres.

Iraq Reconstruction
That's just a preview, there's more...
and of course there's the Febrary Oxford poll where the majority of Iraqis said their lives were better than before the war both overall and on a number of levels.

53.6% said their security situation was better than before the war a similar majority said the same of their family's protection from crime.

Outloooks are positive on health, education, water on and on...
Oxford Poll(PDF)

There is progress and Piper Plexed is absolutely right to point out that it could change the perception of the war if it were reported responsibly...

I agree that the reason we aren't hearing the whole story is because the media is greedy, competitive, lazy, and sensationalistic in their coverage of Iraq.
jenreiautter
QUOTE(turnea @ May 6 2004, 05:23 PM)
QUOTE(jenreiautter @ May 6 2004, 05:36 PM)
The only good news about the Iraq invasion was the capture of Saddam Hussein and the ending of sanctions.

Absolutely false...


Looking back at what I wrote I must admit I meant to say that the best thing about the war was the capture of Saddam and the ending of sanctions, but I believe that the cons far outweigh the pros.

(maybe saying "only" was a Freudian slip, however blush.gif do to continual irritation of war glorification I keep seeing)

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There is progress and Piper Plexed is absolutely right to point out that it could change the perception of the war if it were reported responsibly...


This is what the peace movement was saying in the build-up to the war. If there had been as many experts and high-level peace organizers shown in proportion to the percentage of people in favor of peace before the war (rather than all the Bush admin officials, ex-generals and military strategists that gave the war so much more legitimacy than the peace movement) there might have been more critical thinking before getting into this mess.
stehenallein
Aquilla, its with great understanding I say that America desperatley needs more people like you. Unfortunatley what America has is an excessivaley large population of people who derieve their opinions from biased claims falsified and anti-americanized by the news press and media. It is not possible to turn the tv on and watch the news without seeing more 'problems' in Iraq. What the news media fails to bring about it is all of the good things. And because of this Americans who watch the ten o'clock news are left with a disgusting after taste of hate in their mouth. I've watched it before, and I feel depressed, I feel angry, but only because I know better to I throw my anger and hatred upon the media. For I know that the good things happening in iraq are far greater than those bad things. The news has a bad reputation of reporting things that make America look bad. By doing this they can snowball a small thing into a large thing, but thats what News stations want, new. And thats what they got by showing the pictures of tortured american prisoners, and thats what they got when an american civilian was beheaded, and now that iraqi, anti americans know that they will be heard if they continue this violence where do you think it will go? Back into the fuel of news that makes the steam engine of anti americanism go round. But what we face today, in the words of Mr Luther King Junior, is "a symptom of a far deeper mallady". If you look at who is running this country you will notice its mostly vietnam era veterans. Most people opposed the war in vietnam and they should have. But we are paying for it with their emotionalized decisions they are making today. One can not make a rationalized decision if they let their emotions be involved. It does not take much research to find out that the media is run by mostly democratic people, and therefore the media is biased towards everything it reports. We must stand and demand that this kind of anti americanism press be stopped, there must be a day when americans can watch the news and not recieve someone elses opinion. To be able to make our own decisions and opinions we must be able to do it without having the opinions of others forced down our throat.
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