Full Version: Should Bush dump Cheney?
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Would Bush be better off to ask Cheney to step down and choose a new VP?
2 choices given in the article are Powell or McCain
Would they give him an unbeatable edge?
If you are one of the undecided, and for arguments sake one of the 2 above were chosen, how would this affect your vote?
Would Bush be better off to ask Cheney to step down and choose a new VP?
2 choices given in the article are Powell or McCain
Would they give him an unbeatable edge?
If you are one of the undecided, and for arguments sake one of the 2 above were chosen, how would this affect your vote?
This democrat pretty much labeled the liberal thinking on this issue:
Which is why a lot of Democrats were pretty silent when the news came out. They definitely want Cheney to stay on. This is for obvious reasons. It hasn't been a great couple of weeks for Cheney, who's drop the "f-bomb," contradicted himself, been booed at Yankee stadium and lost to the relatively inexperienced Edwards in a one on one match up poll.
If Bush were out simply to win the November election; yes, he would do much better picking someone else. Someone who appealed to independents would be good enough to make the switch.
McCain has already stated that he wouldn't run for VP under any ticket. Powell would give him an edge, but I doubt he would join. I'm betting Powell might leave the administration after this term, but thats a personal belief.
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“We’re praying Cheney stays on the ticket,” California Democratic Party spokesman Bob Mulholland said. “Cheney is an albatross around the neck of the president, so Democrats are supporting Cheney.”
Which is why a lot of Democrats were pretty silent when the news came out. They definitely want Cheney to stay on. This is for obvious reasons. It hasn't been a great couple of weeks for Cheney, who's drop the "f-bomb," contradicted himself, been booed at Yankee stadium and lost to the relatively inexperienced Edwards in a one on one match up poll.
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Would Bush be better off to ask Cheney to step down and choose a new VP?
If Bush were out simply to win the November election; yes, he would do much better picking someone else. Someone who appealed to independents would be good enough to make the switch.
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2 choices given in the article are Powell or McCain Would they give him an unbeatable edge?
McCain has already stated that he wouldn't run for VP under any ticket. Powell would give him an edge, but I doubt he would join. I'm betting Powell might leave the administration after this term, but thats a personal belief.
Would they give him an unbeatable edge?
In short no, I think it would be interpreted as a sign of weakness and fear personally. If Bush had decided to do this last year then it might have been well received. However, if he were to do it right now people would take it as a sign that he is afraid of a Kerry-Edwards ticket and possibly lend creedence to some of the allegations about Cheny.
Additionally, people are throwing around Powell and McCain as potential VP's. I'm not sure that either of those men would sign on to be VP under Bush.
Powell grudingly accepted his position of secretary of state in 2000 and I'm sure that his tour of duty has only soured him on that choice even more. Of all the people in the Bush administration, I get the feeling that Powell is probably a little jaded. I also don't think he'll sign on for a second term if that happens.
McCain, while he would add a lot to the ticket, also probably would not run with Bush. McCain's philosophy drastically contradicts with Bush in several areas and I'm sure he hasn't forgotten the dirty politics employed against him in the 2000 primary.
In short no, I think it would be interpreted as a sign of weakness and fear personally. If Bush had decided to do this last year then it might have been well received. However, if he were to do it right now people would take it as a sign that he is afraid of a Kerry-Edwards ticket and possibly lend creedence to some of the allegations about Cheny.
Additionally, people are throwing around Powell and McCain as potential VP's. I'm not sure that either of those men would sign on to be VP under Bush.
Powell grudingly accepted his position of secretary of state in 2000 and I'm sure that his tour of duty has only soured him on that choice even more. Of all the people in the Bush administration, I get the feeling that Powell is probably a little jaded. I also don't think he'll sign on for a second term if that happens.
McCain, while he would add a lot to the ticket, also probably would not run with Bush. McCain's philosophy drastically contradicts with Bush in several areas and I'm sure he hasn't forgotten the dirty politics employed against him in the 2000 primary.
I think that Bush would pick up some momentum in some areas with another pick (Rice, Powell) but I see this as a non-issue, there would probably need to be a genuine health concern. I think this is a solid slot on the ticket and this close-knit adminstration is not about to tinker with the ticket.
QUOTE(christopher @ Jul 9 2004, 09:09 PM)
If you are one of the undecided, and for arguments sake one of the 2 above were chosen, how would this affect your vote?
It wouldn't affect my vote at all, since I already know who I'm going to vote for. If McCain was picked up and Cheney dumped, then I feel that the country would be in better hands should Bush somehow become (god forbid) incapacitated or killed. I know the Bush-Cheney crowd trumpets Cheney's foreign policy experience and his years of working in various cabinets. However, father time is not in his corner, and I honestly don't want man #2 in line for the presidency to have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.
About the only GOPer that would probably make me swtich my vote would be Powell.
QUOTE(christopher @ Jul 9 2004, 08:09 PM)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5402767/
Would Bush be better off to ask Cheney to step down and choose a new VP?
2 choices given in the article are Powell or McCain
Would they give him an unbeatable edge?
Would Bush be better off to ask Cheney to step down and choose a new VP?
2 choices given in the article are Powell or McCain
Would they give him an unbeatable edge?
yes, bush would be far better off without dick cheney.
it's funny they would bring up powell or mccain as possible VPs. according to a newsweek poll if powell was the VP, bush would have a 53-44 advantage over kerry/edwards if the election were held today. it's only 49-47 with mccain.
I think powell would give bush a huge edge. many black people would likely vote for bush powell cause it would mean a black VP at least. thankfully, bush doesn't read the news.
QUOTE(unabomber @ Jul 12 2004, 01:02 PM)
I think powell would give bush a huge edge. many black people would likely vote for bush powell cause it would mean a black VP at least. thankfully, bush doesn't read the news.
Another example of a man of character doing what he believes to be the right thing. Dumping your VP in hopes of gaining a few votes is something only the spineless would consider.
I think it would be a mistake for Bush to dump Cheney! This would be a sign that there is a lack of solidarity in the Republican Party.
If this was gonna happen it would have happened at the beginning of the election campaigns. Cheney would have announced his retirement from politics and wished Bush luck in his next term yada yada.
Then Bush could have selected a new VP with which to runbut its too late for that now.
And yes Powell or Rice would have slam dunked this Election! Especially Powell because of his liberal tendencies. He would have moved the ticket closer to the center in the eyes of the public.
If this was gonna happen it would have happened at the beginning of the election campaigns. Cheney would have announced his retirement from politics and wished Bush luck in his next term yada yada.
Then Bush could have selected a new VP with which to runbut its too late for that now.
And yes Powell or Rice would have slam dunked this Election! Especially Powell because of his liberal tendencies. He would have moved the ticket closer to the center in the eyes of the public.
I don't think Bush could handle the job without Cheney. One huge reason there are so many experienced government leaders in Bush's cabinet was to make up for Bush's lack of experience in national government.
Bush isn't about to change horses in mid-stream. I think he would actually lose as many votes as he would gain in changing Vice Presidents at this time. Plus, what my husband said of Rumsfeld would be also be true with Cheney: "If you thought O'Neill and Clarke knew where all the bodies are buried..."
Bush isn't about to change horses in mid-stream. I think he would actually lose as many votes as he would gain in changing Vice Presidents at this time. Plus, what my husband said of Rumsfeld would be also be true with Cheney: "If you thought O'Neill and Clarke knew where all the bodies are buried..."
It would look a little spineless to ditch Cheney now, but I'm not sure that it would actually cost him votes. Republicans will still vote for him anyway, and people in the centre would probably forgive him if a more moderate candidate was put up for the job. I think his best bet would be Rice, as Powell probably wouldn't run. An administration without either Cheney or Rumsfeld would look far fresher, and less scary for that matter.
Well it appears that McCain most definitely does not want the job. Check out this quote. (source)
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Campaigning in California with Republican Senate candidate Bill Jones, Arizona Sen. John McCain repeatedly insisted Sunday that he would not replace Vice President Dick Cheney as President Bush's running mate -- even comparing the job of vice president to his experience as a prisoner of war in Vietnam.
"As far as me and the vice presidency is concerned ... I spent a number of years in a North Vietnamese prison camp in the dark and (was) fed scraps, and I don't know why I would want to do that all over again," McCain said at a rally in San Diego.
"As far as me and the vice presidency is concerned ... I spent a number of years in a North Vietnamese prison camp in the dark and (was) fed scraps, and I don't know why I would want to do that all over again," McCain said at a rally in San Diego.
QUOTE(christopher @ Jul 9 2004, 10:09 PM)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5402767/
Would Bush be better off to ask Cheney to step down and choose a new VP?
2 choices given in the article are Powell or McCain
Would they give him an unbeatable edge?
If you are one of the undecided, and for arguments sake one of the 2 above were chosen, how would this affect your vote?
Would Bush be better off to ask Cheney to step down and choose a new VP?
2 choices given in the article are Powell or McCain
Would they give him an unbeatable edge?
If you are one of the undecided, and for arguments sake one of the 2 above were chosen, how would this affect your vote?
Personally I am overjoyed that Bush is keeping Cheney as his running mate. Bush is in a no-win situtation. If he replaces Cheney, it will be seen as unfaithful and a sign of weakness. If he keeps Cheney, it will be a albatross around his neck and a lightning rod.
As for the 2 people mentioned.
1. Powell has been so disillusioned and his authority sapped by this adminstration. True that he is faithful, but everyone has their breaking point.
2. McCain is a true Republican and will campaign for Bush because of the Republican party, but there is no way he would run with Bush after that episode in South Carolina during the 2000 presidental primary. There were so many lies told about McCain that he will never forget where they originated
I am not undecided, so the last part would not affect me.
I can't imagine McCain running for VP with Bush first off. If you know some of the attacks Bush did to McCain during the 2000 primaries then you know why. McCain would be an excellent Vice President and is a supportive republican of Bush but let's not be misled to think they are some how friends.
If Bush dumps Cheney then it would really hurt him because he would admit fault in choosing Cheney for Vice President. He would be attack throughout the media and constantly asked why he dumped Cheney. It could backfire and really turn into a huge distraction by dumping Cheney.
If Bush dumps Cheney then it would really hurt him because he would admit fault in choosing Cheney for Vice President. He would be attack throughout the media and constantly asked why he dumped Cheney. It could backfire and really turn into a huge distraction by dumping Cheney.
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If Bush dumps Cheney then it would really hurt him because he would admit fault in choosing Cheney for Vice President. He would be attack throughout the media and constantly asked why he dumped Cheney. It could backfire and really turn into a huge distraction by dumping Cheney.
Yeah, I'd say it's too late now to make the switch without it being a major distraction. Cheney would have to go to the great undisclosed location in the sky first.
Does anyone want to hear more news of Cheney's corruption?
Click on the link below. I also pasted the article to this post. This guy needs to be thrown out of office.
http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?f...nder%20Reported
Click on the link below. I also pasted the article to this post. This guy needs to be thrown out of office.
http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?f...nder%20Reported
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Vice President Dick Cheney is a bad guy. He can toss around the F-word all he wants in response to the criticism directed at him as a result of his close ties to Halliburton, the company he headed from 1995-2000, but he can’t hide from the truth.
It was Cheney who urged Congress in 1996 to ease sanctions against Iran, a country that’s part of President Bush’s axis of evil, so Halliburton could legitimately do business there.
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"Let me make a generalized statement about a trend I see in the U.S. Congress that I find disturbing, that applies not only with respect to the Iranian situation but a number of others as well," Cheney said at the time. "I think we Americans sometimes make mistakes...There seems to be an assumption that somehow we know what's best for everybody else and that we are going to use our economic clout to get everybody else to live the way we would like."
The last part of Cheney’s statement could easily sum up the Bush administration’s past three years in office, but that’s another story.
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In March 1995, Clinton signed an executive order that prohibited "new investments (in Iran) by U.S. persons, including commitment of funds or other assets." It also restricts U.S. companies from performing services "that would benefit the Iranian oil industry. Violation of the order can result in fines of as much as $500,000 for companies and up to 10 years in jail for individuals."
When Bush and Cheney were sworn into office in 2001 the administration decided it would not punish foreign oil and gas companies that invest in Iran or other countries that sponsor terrorism, including Syria and Libya.
Original Link: http://www.independent-media.tv
It was Cheney who urged Congress in 1996 to ease sanctions against Iran, a country that’s part of President Bush’s axis of evil, so Halliburton could legitimately do business there.
<snip>
"Let me make a generalized statement about a trend I see in the U.S. Congress that I find disturbing, that applies not only with respect to the Iranian situation but a number of others as well," Cheney said at the time. "I think we Americans sometimes make mistakes...There seems to be an assumption that somehow we know what's best for everybody else and that we are going to use our economic clout to get everybody else to live the way we would like."
The last part of Cheney’s statement could easily sum up the Bush administration’s past three years in office, but that’s another story.
<snip>
In March 1995, Clinton signed an executive order that prohibited "new investments (in Iran) by U.S. persons, including commitment of funds or other assets." It also restricts U.S. companies from performing services "that would benefit the Iranian oil industry. Violation of the order can result in fines of as much as $500,000 for companies and up to 10 years in jail for individuals."
When Bush and Cheney were sworn into office in 2001 the administration decided it would not punish foreign oil and gas companies that invest in Iran or other countries that sponsor terrorism, including Syria and Libya.
Original Link: http://www.independent-media.tv
Edited to conform article citation to forum Rules. DO NOT post fully copyrighted articles.
QUOTE(Paladin Elspeth @ Jul 13 2004, 10:54 PM)
I don't think Bush could handle the job without Cheney. One huge reason there are so many experienced government leaders in Bush's cabinet was to make up for Bush's lack of experience in national government.
Yep...
In my opinion, Cheney should dump Bush.
Cheney is creepy, but neutral to most "on the fence" Bush voters. Bush on the other hand, has done a better job of scuttling his own image to that group.
He's his own worst enemy and the election is his to loose. Cheney won't be an issue. Bush will.
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