Ok, I agree with probably 99% of what our party stands for, but here is something I just find illogical.


Open boarders...In and out whoever you are, for whatever reason. (Here comes the republican in me!)

I feel that nowadays, it's just plain stupid to have open boarders due to terrorism. And since we aren't in power, immigrants usually only increase taxes and reduce the percentage of the productive class. If we were in power, you know this wouldn't be an issue *the taxes* but you know more poverty=more reasons for democrats to make social programs.

What do you think on this issue? Is it possible in this day and age?

Thanks!!

I have to admit, I have not decided one way or the other on this issue. And not because a decision one way or the other does not have a significant effect. The pros and cons seem to balance.

This country is diverse, which is great benefit, which is a reflection of the many peoples who have immigrated to this continent. Should we stifle this which has been our foundation ?

It is difficult to create a social structure and have one where population via birthrates is stable. Immigration can nullify this achievement.

Why have a law which is so difficult to enforce ? Laws should only be made if you plan to enforce them equally.

Will the drain of enforcement costs be much higher than the cost to society created by the immigrants ?

Would an immigration fit with the ideal of all men being created equal ? Won't we be saying citizens are more important than aliens ?

The terrorism question is not a strong one to me as most terrorism comes from within. The entitlement problems need to be fixed whether we have immigrants or not.

The population issue tugs at me strongly to close the boarders but the other issues pull me the other way.

You cannot have open borders in a socialist society. In conjunction with the rest of libertarian principles, which include the absence of welfare programs, open borders facilitate the mobility of labor and are a benefit to the economy. In the socialist environment we have today it means increased welfare benefits and costs to educate the children. pragmatically,it also means more Demo voters.

arent libertarians and republicans alike?

i dont like open borders now, either. With what happened on sep 11, do libertarians still go for open borders? i jus dont keep up with current events very well...

L. Zeved

Libertarians believe in REAL freedom from government intervention. Republicans just say they do, but their actions tell a much different story.

If you really are interested in learning more, the best place to start is the Libertarian Party Homepage.

If you would like to hear a Libertarian talking head, check out the Neal Boortz Show (the internet service by which you can hear him sucks because it "borrows" your unused bandwith, but if you're near Atlanta you can pick him up on WSB-AM).

Also look at The Cato institute website.

Tons of great stuff, always keep it at my fingertips, especially when I'm on America's debate

Libertarian literature, J.S. Mill "On Liberty", Hayek "The Road to Serfdom", Friedman "Capitalism and Freedom", Friedman "Free to Choose", Walter Williams has some great stuff on the net.

Bringit..you are excactly the type of Libertarian that could run and win and election. The problem with the Libertarian party is the nut jobs running for office. The funny thing is that I also agree with almost everything they stand for, then they try and elect some nutcase or worse try and slave themselves to the green party..YIKES.

Back to lurking,
Darcaine

Darcaine,

Thanks for that, I really took it as a compliment. I just hope one day ANYONE from the party will get elected...

I would take that as an insult. Libertarians and Greens are at opposite ends of the political spectrum. How the heck do Libertarians enslave themselves to the Green party?

I think Darcaine was saying I wouldn't be like that hugo! haha...wait, now what did you mean Darcaine? I'm getting more lost the more I think

i don't like the open border, "mi casa a su casa" aditude either, but what I like the least is our position on abortion,but only based on my religious beliefs. Back on topic now, I think having oopen boarders would just be asking for another Sept 11th .

CP

"Our" position, Conservpat? Last week you were a Socialist...

I explained that I wasn't really a radical, last week, I am still looking for a party to belong to and I was wondering why I should consider this party. I like how individual freedoms come close, but I also believe that it might allow people to do whatever they want, whihc might not be the best.

CP

That would be anarchy and Libertarians don't support that.

So what exactly do you support?

CP

Libertarians basically do allow you to do what you want, providing no one else is harmed. They, unlike anarchists, do believe in the need for a common defense and police power. Most accept the need for certain public works, such as roads. Try Libertarian party website for more information.

Thanks for the link, I took the quiz and I scored in the Libertarian category.

CP

Glad to have you as a fellow Libertarian.

LOL Socialist to Libertarian in a week! Talk about complete opposites!

I'm just glad you finally came to your sences! hahaha

I don't like the idea of open borders but I have problems with our countries stance when it comes to people traveling in and out of the US. I don't think they should get a list of what I'm doing but I don't have a problem with them acknowledging my presence (if that made any sense). Unfortunatley openborders would create an open market for crimes that I can't even imagine.

Hiya! Just found this place.

Pragmatic reformist libertarian here. Not currently a member of the LP though I have been. Right now I'm working with the Republican Liberty Caucus (a group of libertarians in the GOP) instead for a couple of reasons:

1) I'm not happy with the direction the LP is taking on a couple issues, most notably foreign policy and the border issue we're discussing here. Harry Browne is the problem there, with his radically dovish positions. A different candidate might get me back.

2) And not happy with the LP's progress on improving their electoral showing. Until they at least figure out why they're not doing better, it seems a waste of effort.

Anyway, I favor allowing a large number of legal immigrants, and a guest worker program for Mexican illegals so they can work here legally without having to sneak across. I think with the terrorist threat we can't afford not to control our borders, and that isn't being done now nearly well enough.

Welcome to AD Izdaari! Always good to have another Libertarian here. I just recently migrated from the Seattle area to Alabama, I don't miss the year round drizzle.

I agree, Browne has to go. Some of his comments after 9/11 almost drove me from the party, until I calmed down and realized he doesn't represent all of us.
I applaud Carla Howell from Massachusetts in her showings the last two elections, I just wish her formula or message (whatever is working for her) would spread.