Full Version: Arnie's Insult
Last Saturday Gov. Schwarzenneger [Good God I spelled that wrong] called Democratic members of the state legislature girly men for "representing special interests". Naturally, as they we're talking about the People's Republic of California, a huge stink has been raised over the insult...Arnold's remark has been called sexist, homophobic and yes friends, insensitive [gasp]. Do you think that these criticisms are justified? If no will you concede that such a comment was not the gubernatorial way to disagree? Justify your answers to both questions per favore.
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Do you think that these criticisms are justified?
Nah. It's a famous line from Saturday Night Live! Lighen up! The crowd cheered when he said it! The Democrats in the California legislature are just upset that Arnold is 100 times the politician they could ever be. They also stand to lose badly this coming election. These same Democrats are culpable in the enormous budget mess we have in California. These same Democrats are currently holding up Arnold's budget because it doesn't spend enough on their special interests. These are the same Democrats that want silly things like: Fung Shui designed into all state buildings,
lowering the voting age to 14, banning farm raised salmon, dictating how geese farms are to feed their live stock, banning cigarette smoking in private bars and even in your own car, and more! These are girly men!
Nah. It's a famous line from Saturday Night Live! Lighen up! The crowd cheered when he said it! The Democrats in the California legislature are just upset that Arnold is 100 times the politician they could ever be. They also stand to lose badly this coming election. These same Democrats are culpable in the enormous budget mess we have in California. These same Democrats are currently holding up Arnold's budget because it doesn't spend enough on their special interests. These are the same Democrats that want silly things like: Fung Shui designed into all state buildings,
lowering the voting age to 14, banning farm raised salmon, dictating how geese farms are to feed their live stock, banning cigarette smoking in private bars and even in your own car, and more! These are girly men!
QUOTE(deerjerkydave @ Jul 20 2004, 01:41 PM)
Do you think that these criticisms are justified?
Nah. It's a famous line from Saturday Night Live! Lighen up! The crowd cheered when he said it! The Democrats in the California legislature are just upset that Arnold is 100 times the politician they could ever be. They also stand to lose badly this coming election. These same Democrats are culpable in the enormous budget mess we have in California. These same Democrats are currently holding up Arnold's budget because it doesn't spend enough on their special interests. These are the same Democrats that want silly things like: Fung Shui designed into all state buildings,
lowering the voting age to 14, banning farm raised salmon, dictating how geese farms are to feed their live stock, banning cigarette smoking in private bars and even in your own car, and more! These are girly men!
Nah. It's a famous line from Saturday Night Live! Lighen up! The crowd cheered when he said it! The Democrats in the California legislature are just upset that Arnold is 100 times the politician they could ever be. They also stand to lose badly this coming election. These same Democrats are culpable in the enormous budget mess we have in California. These same Democrats are currently holding up Arnold's budget because it doesn't spend enough on their special interests. These are the same Democrats that want silly things like: Fung Shui designed into all state buildings,
lowering the voting age to 14, banning farm raised salmon, dictating how geese farms are to feed their live stock, banning cigarette smoking in private bars and even in your own car, and more! These are girly men!
Of course the criticisms are justified. The way the term is being used is sexist, because it implies (and indeed rests upon the idea of) women are weak-willed, soft, wimpy. Of course Arnold can say what he wants, but no one should be surprised when there is a reaction - or a price!
Deerjerkydave, what an interesting post. We've already covered the Feng Shui thing elsewhere - to anyone giving the issue more than a cursory glance, this is a red herring. As for your assertion, presented apparently as fact, that they are holding up the budget "because it doesn't spend enough on their special interests," can you back that up with some evidence? If so, I'd like to see it.
By the way, don't eat farmed salmon. It's not good for you.
Funny, I posted this subject on Saturday-no one was interested. I'm gonna get a complex 
Some of the issues being fought over:
These are issues more substantive than "feng-shui" and voting age issues.
The remarks have sparked anger by his legislator opponents (naturally) and groups as diverse as the Senate's Natural Resources and Wildlife Committee, the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Caucus and Feminist Majority. The remarks have been characterized as "third-grade insults", "sexist", "homophobic" and divisive.
The comments are interesting also because of Schwarzenegger's previously positive comments about the same people he is criticizing now that he isn't getting his way.
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The trouble began when Schwarzenegger signed off on a deal that would cut revenue to cities and counties for the next two years in exchange for constitutional protection against future reductions. Problem was that the governor promised legislators' support for the initiative without having consulted them first. When he reportedly reneged on parts of the deal in subsequent talks with Democrats, Schwarzenegger was roundly criticized by local officials. In response, the governor made a public appearance over the Fourth of July weekend, lashing out at Democrats. He appeared to be flailing and, for the first time, seemed politically vulnerable. LA Times
Some of the issues being fought over:
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Local government: How and when legislators could tap local revenue in future state fiscal crises. Local officials have agreed to give up $2.6 billion for two years, but also have qualified a ballot initiative to prevent any losses without public vote if they don't get legislative agreement on alternative future protection.
Higher education: The state's four-year college administrators have agreed to cuts for two years and fee increases, but there apparently is no final agreement on size of fee increases and financial aid to offset them.
Aged, blind and disabled: When cost-of-living increases would kick in this year for state aid to this group.
Sue Your Boss: A law enacted last year makes it easier for workers to sue their bosses for violations of workplace rules.
School contracts: A two-year old law restricts the ability of school districts to hire private companies to drive buses, make repairs, prepare food and provide other services.
Other issues mentioned by lawmakers include a bond to cover the state's pension costs, fees for water and firefighting services, long-term debt, and other health and social programs. Tulare Register
Higher education: The state's four-year college administrators have agreed to cuts for two years and fee increases, but there apparently is no final agreement on size of fee increases and financial aid to offset them.
Aged, blind and disabled: When cost-of-living increases would kick in this year for state aid to this group.
Sue Your Boss: A law enacted last year makes it easier for workers to sue their bosses for violations of workplace rules.
School contracts: A two-year old law restricts the ability of school districts to hire private companies to drive buses, make repairs, prepare food and provide other services.
Other issues mentioned by lawmakers include a bond to cover the state's pension costs, fees for water and firefighting services, long-term debt, and other health and social programs. Tulare Register
These are issues more substantive than "feng-shui" and voting age issues.
The remarks have sparked anger by his legislator opponents (naturally) and groups as diverse as the Senate's Natural Resources and Wildlife Committee, the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Caucus and Feminist Majority. The remarks have been characterized as "third-grade insults", "sexist", "homophobic" and divisive.
The comments are interesting also because of Schwarzenegger's previously positive comments about the same people he is criticizing now that he isn't getting his way.
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Daffy's right. She started a similar thread first here - California Budget Wrangle, Arnold calls opponents "girlie men"
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