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Mike
I pulled this story from Drudge, who pulled it from NewsMax.com.

I haven't made up my mind on it yet, but thought your opinions would make for good debate.

Do you believe that Bill Clinton "had the chance to take Osama bin Laden into custody, but he nixed the idea because he couldn't come up with a legal justification for the 9-11 mastermind's extradition."?

You can hear the related audio here: Clinton Interview

I don't really like posting whole articles (space eater), but here goes:

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With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...  


Sunday, Aug. 11, 2002

Clinton Reveals on Secret Audio: I Nixed Bin Laden Extradition Offer

Secret audiotape obtained exclusively by NewsMax.com shows former President Clinton admitting for the first time anywhere that he had the chance to take Osama bin Laden into custody, but he nixed the idea because he couldn't come up with a legal justification for the 9-11 mastermind's extradition.

The tape, recorded at a February business luncheon on New York's Long Island, proves that the claims of Pakistani-American businessman Mansour Ijaz, who says he brokered the deal for bin Laden's extradition, have been accurate all along - even as former Clinton officials trashed him as an exaggerator and even a liar.

Clinton's comments to the Long Island Association were so controversial that the group refused to release its own video recording to NBC News, after the network requested a copy on Friday based on NewsMax.com's Wednesday report on the event.

But NewsMax was there with our own tape rolling, a portion of which we now make available to our readers.

On the tape you'll hear the ex-president himself responding to a question about whether he would have handled bin Laden differently knowing now what he didn't know then.

Clinton explains that he was criticized at the time for being "too obsessed" with bin Laden and al-Qaeda, then maintains he just barely missed the terror kingpin when he launched the Aug. 20, 1998, cruise missile attack on his terror training camp in Khost, Afghanistan.

The mission failed, said the former commander in chief, because the attack plans were "ratted out."

In the next breath the ex-president defends his simultaneous cruise missile attack on a Sudanese medicine factory, claiming subsequent testimony from the trial of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers proves that attack was justified.

Then Clinton makes the devastating admission he has never repeated before or since - that Sudan was ready to hand over bin Laden to the U.S., but he said no, even though "we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America."

For those who can't access NewsMax.com's MP3 Clinton audio file, we've transcribed the ex-president's bombshell revelation verbatim:

You must credit NewsMax if linking or republishing this article or audio.

"Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan.

"And we'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start meeting with them again - they released him.

"At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.

"So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, 'cause they could have. But they thought it was a hot potato and they didn't and that's how he wound up in Afghanistan." (End of excerpt)

Since last December, Ijaz has insisted that he negotiated the deal for bin Laden's release from Sudan. But he maintained that the White House declined to take advantage of the offer because of legal technicalities - a detail now confirmed by the ex-president, as NewsMax's tape proves.

But shortly after his account first appeared in the Los Angeles Times, former Clinton officials trashed the bin Laden extradition story as an exaggeration at best - a complete fabrication at worst.

Asked to respond to Ijaz's account in January, ex-NSC aide Nancy Soderberg told Fox News Channel, "He's living in a fantasy land. There was no such Sudanese offer."

"He's lying ... he's a crackpot," said Jennifer Palmieri, a former White House aide who now serves as chief spokeswoman for the Democratic National Committee, of Ijaz's story in May. "The guy has absolutely no credibility. You'll see that you never see him on television anymore once he was outed as being a fraud."

Mainstream reporters, apparently unaware of Clinton's February comments, have also trashed Ijaz's account.

In May, both New York Times reporter Judith Miller and NBC newswoman Andrea Mitchell told radioman Don Imus they declined to cover the bin Laden extradition story because they didn't find it credible.


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drmarcs
Was that man EVER concerned about America, or was he just interested in getting blow jobs from Monica?
Kisov
I feel that Clinton would have extradited bin laden (lower case is intentional) if there had been legal justification. My reasoning is that Clinton loved the press and being in the spotlight, if he had a legitimate excuse to bring such a bad bad man to justice, I think he would have. It would have been great press, he would have been a hero. . .for what reason would he have passed that opportunity up if not for the reason that there just wasn't enough to pin on him at the time.
Another reason that makes me feel this way is that the press, namely New York Times and NBC, were not willing to release this story because it was not "credible" enough. I've seen the press release stories that have only a shred of proof just because it is something to report, no matter how much they have to dance around with innuendo and no facts in order to do it. Kinda going back to the innocent until proven guilty by the media discussion from a previous post. So if they believed any of this even remotely they would have surely published it.
I would like to also like to remind everyone that hindsight is 20/20, and judging others for what they did or didn't do based on what we know now is not very fair. Although I figured it would be just a matter of time before the American people started going on a witch hunt to blame an American for something that some SOB in the Middle East did.

-Kisov
drmarcs
What are suggesting that the big news stations have ethics? You mean like Time Warner? Who released a story that the Clinton Administration had a plan to wipe out Al Qada but never instituted it because it would be too hard on the incoming Bush administration (or hard for ALGORE to get elected if the did). That’s story is so bogus that a two year old can see through it, Clinton would have been everywhere (cuz your right he loves the publicity) if it were true.
This report is true, I’ve heard it multiple times, and there was even a sketch on SNL in 1996 that had the news guy making some crack about Clinton not wanting some Arab dude.
Look at the news today, the immorality and corruption displayed by the Clinton administration is all over. These corporate scandals occurred under Clinton and his loose morals, teen sexuality increased, the first time most kids heard of a blow job was from the president. The US Attorney did not fight one pornography case for 8 years while Clinton was in office, and today you cant open you email with out getting an eye full. To suggest this story is not true on the basis of poor journalism is one thing (which is what you did) but to put this type of action past our former president is another. Ethics and Morals were two words you will not find in the “Clinton Library.” (that the tax payer gets to pay for by the way)
Jaime
I have to agree with Kisov on this one. Clinton was/is one of the slickest lawyers this country has seen. I believe he was very aware of the legal implications of going after bin laden (I'll use lower case, too, why not?) and chose not to based on the evidence presented him.

What I find interesting about Clinton's actions (inactions) is the fact that he chose not to investigate bin laden until he got the evidence he needed to justify going after him. Although, I'd bet Clinton would argue he tried but (everybody sing along) the republican congress wouldn't let him.

And I interepreted Kisov's comments on the publication of this article differently than you drmarcs. Kisov, tell me if I'm wrong, but weren't you questioning Newsmax, itself, as a source and not necessarily the article?
Kisov
Drmarcs, Did you actually read my post or did you just get out of it what you wanted to so you could go on (yet another) Clinton tirade? First of all I never said that the media was ethical. . .in fact I said the opposite. Second of all, How does Clinton's ethics (or lack there of) have anything to do with whether or not he extradited, or should have extradited (considering the info he may have had), bi laden. Do you really honestly think that his sex life (as sick and wrong as it may be) has anything to do with his actions against terrorism? I'm not defending Clinton's lifestyle, I'm just saying that you are not sticking with the subject at hand; and instead you are using it for your own little soapbox preaching.

-Kisov
Mike
My thoughts on this are varied.

I do think that Clinton would have done it, if not for the good of America, but for the coverage. The question I have is this: What is the minimum legal justification needed for the extradition.

So I thought, if bin laden had declared war on us, then that should be enough reason to get the guy, right?

So I did some research, and came across some interesting quotes from bin laden. You can read all of them here. Here are some of the quotes:

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July 1996 "[the bomb in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia] was the result of American behavior against Muslims, its support of Jews in Palestine, and the massacre of Muslims in Palestine and Lebanon."


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August 1996 "[the bomb in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia was] the beginning of war between Muslims and the United States."


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November 1996 "Had we wanted to carry out small operations after our threat statement, we would have been able to… We thought that the two bombings in Riyadh and Dhahran would be enough (sic.) a signal to the wise U.S. decision-makers to avoid the real confrontation with the Islamic nation, but it seems they did not understand it."


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February 1997 "This war will not only be between the people of the two sacred mosques and the Americans, but it will be between the Islamic world and the Americans and their allies because this war is a new crusade led by America against the Islamic nations."


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May 1997 "We have focused our declaration of jihad on the U.S. soldiers inside Arabia…The U.S. government has committed acts that are extremely unjust, hideous and criminal through its support of the Israeli occupation of Palestine."


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May 1997 "If the American government is serious about avoiding the explosions inside the US, then let it stop provoking the feelings of 1,250 million Muslims. Those hundreds of thousands who have been killed or displaced in Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, do have brothers and relatives. They would make of Ramzi Yousef [convicted for his role in 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center] a symbol and a teacher. The US will drive them to transfer the battle into the United States."


It goes on and on in the same fashion up until the current date.

So is that enough, in your eyes, to get him?

Mike
Big_Brother_Watches
We are entering a Holy War here and it scares the crap out of me. IT will be the muslim states versus the Christian America. Now, America is suppose to be a land filled with religions, but only Christians (practicing or just because it sounds good to call yourself that) run our government. We need to get muslim and other religious representation into our government. Now, the muslims of the rest of the world have condemned American Muslims . . . which is hypocritical. America should be scared right now. This is a religious feud . . . people go on suiciude raids for religion, the kill children for religion, they will bring anyone who opposes them down. And this is not just Muslims . . . take a look at Christian history . . . Christian have tried to do off with, or convert, everyother religion on the planet. Calling it's followers Monsters, and Devil worshippers. Religion is a good thing . . . religious beliefs are a horrible thing. The world, with religion running government, will never be at peace.
drmarcs
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The world, with religion running government, will never be at peace.


You hit the nail right on the head…good think our nation is afraid to say Under God in the Pledge because it will be “forcing” religion on someone. The nations that we would be at war with are lead by religious clerics. (with the exception of Iraq who is godless) Afghanistan was run by a Muslim mullah, Iran is run by Koran law, Yemen, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, all religious governments. All these are terrorist states, and all run by the religion.

As for Muslim representation…there are 1.8 to 2 percent of American citizens who are Muslim, so in your view 2 members of congress should be Muslim. That should also mean there are the representative 6 members of congress who are black and the 49 members who are women. By simple logic this stand to be illogical, simply by representation is not representing the nation. There are not enough of a concentration of any one party to vote in a candidate, and the candidate should represent the regional make up it represents.

Christian history is filled with forced conversions and “imperialistic” expansion of Christianity. But despite the crusades and despite the reformation, and all the bloodies years of Christianity, nothing can compare to the spread of the Muslim religion by the sword during the time of Muhammad and thereafter. (trust me I love religion) So there is no excuse to say that Christianity has mistreated anyone.

Give me the list of wrongs the Christian world has done, and I’ll give you the overbearing rights they have done.
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