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Lord Zeved
In America, teenagers have rightfully earned the reputation of being impatient, evil minded, cold hearted, ignorant, and arrogant. It was said the reason was hormones. If they say so, whatever. I, however, believe it is based upon music.

I will admit, I do not like music. I dont hate music, but i dont like it either. I would not turn on the radio, or goto a free concert. I do hate loud music, and i think many people will agree with me.

It is common knowledge that many, many teens listen to rap and other forms of music. Not many listen to country or religious music. They listen to music that has profanity overused. Bands like Insane Clown Posse encourage kids to take drugs, drink alcohol, kill people, and have sex. Songs such as ''It's my way or the highway'' encourage kids to run away from home. They emphacize too heavily on wrong parents and independence for teens. Many kids, believe it or not, want to listen to it. They want to be called an idiot. They want to hear stories of people raping others. Why? I have no idea.

In most schools, headphones and CD players are banned. On the bus, you can hear all of their music, and easily see why they are not allowed on school grounds. A large number of teens cause a lot of trouble in their neighborhoods, scare children smaller than they, and repeatedly get into fights. Most gangs are form-ed by teens and a lot of them take drugs or drink large amounts of alcohol. I can assure you, none of these kids listen to country or religious music willingly.

The lyrics of their music encourage them that they have power, they are right, and everyone else is wrong. The origninal intention of the form of music was not meant to be that way. However, artists want people to buy more. The teens, in the past, bought more of these music than any other age group. Now, however, groups such as Kazaa give away almost every song for free. MP3 players can store thousands of songs.

The nerds of school (nerds are people who are not popular; they dont have to be smart) are not always under this description. They are usually smart enough to wonder why the popular kids listen to the music they listen to. They listen to religious music or other forms of unpopular music. These are not the kids that make a lot of trouble, steal or start fights. Why? They listen to other forms of music. They dont have such a low self esteem which rap creates. Most rap now dont even rhyme. As long as every third word was a cuss word, then the teens are happy.

So if ANYONE can tell me truthfully why so many teens listen to this kind of music, plz post it. i understand that many people like music, but why would they wanna listen to their fav. artist tell them how stupid they are, how nice their mama looked, and to take drugs? The music has killed the minds of our teens. Until they are in their twentys, they will continue to hate adults. Their minds are so limited and filled with evil. According to statistics, there are more teens now than a few years ago. The teen population is growing. At this rate, after politics, the music will kill this planet.

THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, SO PLEASE CORRECT ME WHERE I'M WRONG.

L. Zeved
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Lord Zeved
I did not intentionally exagerate anything. As I said, This is just my opinion.

L. Zeved

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Dontreadonme
If you don't think teenagers listen to country music, you haven't been to the south!
otseng
I think teenagers should listen to Classical music. smile.gif
Danya
I think blaming music for the ills of society is silly. mellow.gif
MadMax
I disagree. I will take you point by point through my opinion of your post.

[quote] In America, teenagers have rightfully earned the reputation of being impatient, evil minded, cold hearted, ignorant, and arrogant.[/quote]

American youth has always been thought little of by their elders. Always. It's an American generational thing.

[quote]It is common knowledge that many, many teens listen to rap and other forms of music. Not many listen to country or religious music.[/quote]

I understand you live in the South, so you should know better than this. Country and Religious music are popular. Creed anyone? Garth Brooks anyone? Your assumption is wrong.

[quote]They listen to music that has profanity overused.[/quote]

Overused is an opinion. Also, many teens listen to the radio stations where most profanity is bleeped out. Obviously it's not all about the profanity or no teen would listen to these songs edited on the radio the way they do.

[quote]Bands like Insane Clown Posse encourage kids to take drugs, drink alcohol, kill people, and have sex. Songs such as ''It's my way or the highway'' encourage kids to run away from home.[/quote]

They do not so much as 'encourage' as they do just sing about it. Taking music out of the equation, teens would still experiment with sex, drugs and alchohol. The teens are a time where individuals are breaking away from their parents, forming their own identity and starting on the path towards finding themselves. This is where experimentation comes in. Not only do teens experiment with traditionally thought of as bad things, they also experiment in jobs, friends, school, relationships and so on.

[quote]They emphacize too heavily on wrong parents and independence for teens.[/quote]

Teens crave independance and rightfully so for the reasons listed above. You cannot emphasize to heavily on that. Of course this would be an attraction in the music world. As for wrong parents, believe it or not there are plenty out there. It's nice to hear, in music, others who have had the same problem. To hear someone else rant and rave about it. It's freeing to know that you're not alone.

[quote]Many kids, believe it or not, want to listen to it. They want to be called an idiot. They want to hear stories of people raping others. Why? I have no idea.[/quote]

I'm not understanding you, who is calling kids idiots? Also, very few songs out there, that are popular, focus on rape.

[quote]In most schools, headphones and CD players are banned. On the bus, you can hear all of their music, and easily see why they are not allowed on school grounds.[/quote]

They are not allowed on school grounds for the reason that you are at school to learn. Not easily done with headphones jammed to your head. Not because of the content of the music.

[quote]A large number of teens cause a lot of trouble in their neighborhoods, scare children smaller than they, and repeatedly get into fights.[/quote]

Again, not proven to be music related. This has more to do with lack of parental involvement.

[quote]Most gangs are form-ed by teens and a lot of them take drugs or drink large amounts of alcohol. I can assure you, none of these kids listen to country or religious music willingly.[/quote]

Lack of parental involvement. Not music related. Let me give you an example.

(Pulling this from my hind end)

90% of sex offenders purchase pornography.

Does this mean that pornography leads to sexual offenses? Not neccesarily.

5% of all purchasers of pornography are sex offenders.

See? Pornography does not cause normal men or women to commit sexual offenses. Sexual offenders seem to like pornography though.

Those stats may be way off, which is fine, I'm just making a point about cause and effect (or lack thereof).

[quote]The lyrics of their music encourage them that they have power, they are right, and everyone else is wrong.[/quote]

What is wrong with empowerment? The rest is just lyrics.

[quote]The origninal intention of the form of music was not meant to be that way.[/quote]

I'd love to hear the original intent of music. Have you any ideas??

[quote]However, artists want people to buy more. The teens, in the past, bought more of these music than any other age group.[/quote]

Stats please. Of course artists want people to buy their music, that's part, I imagine, of why they are in the business. Is there a problem with this?

[quote]The nerds of school (nerds are people who are not popular; they dont have to be smart) are not always under this description.They are usually smart enough to wonder why the popular kids listen to the music they listen to. They listen to religious music or other forms of unpopular music.[/quote]

I hope you're willing to back this up.

I think you're wrong. Dead wrong.

I also don't have stats on this, but based on my own knowledge and experience, nerds tend to be about the same as their peers, just set apart for some reason or another.

[quote]These are not the kids that make a lot of trouble, steal or start fights. Why?[/quote]

Because they are busy trying to figure out how to copy cat Columbine?? Think about the types of teens that pull Columbine stunts. Being a nerd is almost always a part of it.

[quote]They listen to other forms of music. They dont have such a low self esteem which rap creates. Most rap now dont even rhyme. As long as every third word was a cuss word, then the teens are happy.[/quote]

Another assumption that is not, and cannot be, backed up with FACT.

Nerds don't have low self esteem? No, of course not. Being set apart from your peers all of your life would NEVER make anyone depressed, make them wonder what was wrong with them, make them angry or rebellious. Never have murderous thoughts about those who mock and tease them mercilessly. Never. No. That just doesn't happen.

I'd also like to know where you got your information that nerds listen to country and religious music.

[quote]So if ANYONE can tell me truthfully why so many teens listen to this kind of music, plz post it.[/quote]

Same reason people flipped for Elvis, The Beatles, The Monkeys, and so on.

Did you know, back in the day, that Elvis could only be shown on TV from the waist up? Do you know why? Because he swiveled his hips and that was scandleous.

[quote]The music has killed the minds of our teens. Until they are in their twentys, they will continue to hate adults. Their minds are so limited and filled with evil.[/quote]

This is bull, flat and simple.

Let me tell you what has killed the minds of our teens, as you put it.

Lowered educational expectations. Less parental involvement. Being told for generations that they worthless for whatever the popular reason of the day is. Less responsibility. They can't even WORK until they are 16. Less community involvement. I could go on. Music wouldn't even be on the list.

You think teens are limited? Filled with evil?

Maybe it is this outlook that makes them so, if they even were so. Why do better when people think you're evil and limited? What's the point?

People like YOU, outlooks like YOURS are the problem.

Teens are our not so distant tomorrow. It's about time we treat them as such.

We need to better educate them. Be involved with them. Offer them things to fill their time and their minds. Encourage community activities. Feed them better. Treat them better.

Above all?

VALUE THEM
Danya
This begs the question: when does one start taking responsibility for their own actions?

Shouldn't we be prepared to take responsibility for ourselves? Do we really need society to police our radio and tv and reading materials? I for one, have never heard a song that made me want to run out and have sex or do drugs. I think teens should be given a little more credit than that.
MadMax
QUOTE(Danya @ Dec 30 2002, 05:41 PM)
This begs the question: when does one start taking responsibility for their own actions?

Shouldn't we be prepared to take responsibility for ourselves? Do we really need society to police our radio and tv and reading materials? I for one, have never heard a song that made me want to run out and have sex or do drugs. I think teens should be given a little more credit than that.

No joke.

The we call teens "irresponsible". As if they've been credited with with responsibility in the first place.

Give teens credit? Hard to do when you think of them like this:

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teenagers have rightfully earned the reputation of being impatient, evil minded, cold hearted, ignorant, and arrogant.


and

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Their minds are so limited and filled with evil.


Of course it is difficult to credit teens with intelligence, responsibility and the ability to discern music from reality when one thinks so low of them.
Danya
Their minds are so limited and filled with evil.
Sounds like someone has been listening to a bit TOO much religious music. unsure.gif
MadMax
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Danya
Was that meant for me? question.gif
MadMax
QUOTE(Danya @ Dec 30 2002, 06:33 PM)
Was that meant for me?  question.gif

No... I just had a brain fart.

Substitute "African Americans" or "Women" for the two following quotes and you'll see what I mean.

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teenagers have rightfully earned the reputation of being impatient, evil minded, cold hearted, ignorant, and arrogant.


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Their minds are so limited and filled with evil.


It was meant for him... Ageism should be no more acceptable than racism, sexism or any other 'ism'.
Danya
ok...I thought maybe I had gotten a bit too personal. cool.gif
MadMax
I didn't think so... but then again you see what side of the debate I'm on, lol.
Wertz
QUOTE(Danya @ Dec 30 2002, 05:54 PM)
Their minds are so limited and filled with evil.

Sounds like someone has been listening to a bit TOO much religious music.

Okay - this goes onto my Best Posts of the Week list. biggrin.gif


I do think we should bear in mind, though, that Lord Zeved is purportedly a teenager himself and is, therefore, speaking of his peers. Does that make his comments somewhat less ageist?
MadMax
QUOTE(Wertz @ Dec 30 2002, 07:21 PM)
I do think we should bear in mind, though, that Lord Zeved is purportedly a teenager himself and is, therefore, speaking of his peers. Does that make his comments somewhat less ageist?

People sell out all the time to fit into another group of people. Teenagers are no different. Especially younger ones who've not yet had the taste of the first freedoms, empowering music and the identity issues. More especially those that have been cast out of the circle. Can't fit in there, must find new place.

Less ageist? No. Even moreso because he's selling out his own crowd.

Edited to add: Also notice his usage of "Our Youth".

Sour grapes, my friend... sour grapes.
Jaime
WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR YOU GUYS TO REPORT QUESTIONABLE POSTS TO ME RATHER THAN WASTING TIME & SPACE POSTING ABOUT IT? mad.gif
Gray Seal
I do like our administrators. They are why this forum is top notch.
Danya
QUOTE(Jaime @ Dec 30 2002, 05:05 PM)
WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR YOU GUYS TO REPORT QUESTIONABLE POSTS TO ME RATHER THAN WASTING TIME & SPACE POSTING ABOUT IT?  mad.gif

who me? ohmy.gif
Lord Zeved
From DonTreadOnMe109:

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If you don't think teenagers listen to country music, you haven't been to the south!


I live in the south. Trust me, teens do not listen to country music where I'm from. It is reffered to as ''gay''

From Otseng:

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I think teenagers should listen to Classical music.


I would have to agree. Classical aint a bad choice at all.

From Danya:

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I think blaming music for the ills of society is silly.


Where do you think the blame lies? Drugs? Politics? Parents?

Guess who.
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WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR YOU GUYS TO REPORT QUESTIONABLE POSTS TO ME RATHER THAN WASTING TIME & SPACE POSTING ABOUT IT?


Right on!


As for all of this Ageist stuff going on here, Tihs is all of my opinions, and they are based on what i have seen in both of the middle schools ive been to and both of the high schools ive been to. If any of yallz listened on the bus home (if you rode on the bus when you were in school) to what was said, then I think you would have to agree at least loosely.

To quote an arrogant little boy,

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So if ANYONE can tell me truthfully why so many teens listen to this kind of music, plz post it.


This i have not yet seen. Danya has began to give her (this is based on your name; forgive me if you're a male) opinions, but i shall look forward to seeing it.

L. Zeved
MadMax
Z...

I addressed each part of your post including the 'why' about teens listening to such music.

I know it's long... but try to read it and respond, that's what debate is all about. Then again, this isn't the first time I've quoted and debated you and you didn't debate back.
Danya
You can't explain music any easier than you can explain love. I don't think your going to find the kind of answer your looking for Z. It's all a matter of taste and there is no accounting for it.

There are some things that do not need to be controlled. Right now I'm listening to an old Ozzy Osbourne song (Flying High Again) and remembering when I was a teen how the adults all thought that Ozzy songs made us commit suicide or bite the heads off bats. Or turned us into satanists. LOL. laugh.gif

I felt the same about this subject as a teen as I do today. There are some kids (and adults) that are so weak they are just easily influenced. By everything. How do they get that way? I don't know. I've never been like that and my children don't seem that way either. I guess that's for other people to worry about then.
quarkhead
I think kids listen to rap for the a lot of reasons. It's got an easy to follow beat, "ghetto" has become an abstracted commodity in culture, and it's what their peers like.

When I was a teenager in the 80s, I listened to hardcore music like the Dead Kennedys and Black Flag. I was then and am now a peaceful person.

I don't see any merit to the idea of music corrupting children. If any kid actually goes out and becomes a drug pushing, pimping gangster BECAUSE they listen to rap, I'd be more likely to say that some parents are doing a really lousy job of raising their kids.
Momof3
I think Z... shouldn't talk about music. He doesn't like. He seems not to like anyone, kids or adults who like music. I think you should not judge people who like whatever kind of music just because you don't. Maybe you will be the evil one when you get older. Did you ever hear the saying music soothes the evil beast? Give it a try. Maybe the evilness in you can be soothed too! sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif
Danya
Given the choice between country and rap I would choose rap in most cases. I do like some country music...Garth Brooks, Shania Twain, Reba, Martina McBride, Faith Hill. Maybe that makes me a better person to some people. I also like Nelly, Snoop Dog, and Ice Cube...maybe I'm doomed to hell. But, mainly I listen to rock. I like Disturbed, Linkin Park, and AC/DC. But wait, I also like Avril Lavigne, Michelle Branche, Jewel, and Natalie Merchant. So, please try to tell me what kind of person that makes me.
Rancid Uncle
The real problem with MTV and the like isn't drugs and sex. It's how MTV is a 24-hour commercial and music is controlled by 4 companies.
Bob Dylan said

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"Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command"


Well now there at Viacom, Pepsi's and Abercrombie's command!
Limpubus
For those no recently out of high school or college, think back to how the people around you used to be. No one I know is still stuck on Abercrombie or gap. I myself was strongly opposed to these stores in high school, but you can't attach a mode of thinking to where someone shops. Those stores are popular because they are trendy. They release lines that go out of fashion in a span of months, hence trendy. If i walk into one of these stores and see something i like I don't think "If I buy this then I can fit in", I like what I like and the same with music. Rap, Hip hop, and R&B are much more diverse categories than most think. They are also more innovative than any other medium. I listen to more or less everything except country and gospel (the sounds they use just bothers me). I don't feel the need to go out and imitate them. Most of it is about the music and the lyrics are secondary. As a youth I listened to death metal and I have no more suicidal tendencies than anyone else. Music is the background to life. And what else is youth than a series of trial and tribulations that more or less have no later effect on us.
Jaime
QUOTE(Limpubus @ Jan 5 2003, 03:00 PM)
And what else is youth than a series of trial and tribulations that more or less have no later effect on us.

I completely disagree. SO much of what I did when I was younger effects me today. I wouldn't even know where to start to name examples there are so many.

Fortunately, I won't bother since that is not what this thread is about. I am compelled to comment on the actual topic - teens and music.

First, I think momof3 (my real mother) deserves a HUGE thank you for tolerating the crap I listened to as a teenager. I was primarily raised on 70's country and rock (which I still love today). When I got into high school, I was exposed to a whole new world of music. I found myself particularly drawn to the dark-side of music. The stuff Lord Zeved would call "evil."

I couldn't play my Cure, KMFDM, Front 242, or Dead Kennedeys (no Black Flag for me though, quarkhead tongue.gif ) loud enough. I was also in older "dark" stuff - Led Zeppelin, the Doors and Pink Floyd. It was such a release for me to come home and blast my music as loud as it could go. I would study the lyrics and memorize lines I thought pertinent to my various mood swings. Music defined me, it could not be separated from my culture. As a typical teenager in search of some sort of identity, music became "it" for me.

College chilled me out in a whole bunch of ways as most of you regulars know by now. My tastes in music has changed quite a bit. I don't have the tolerance to listen to repetitive techno-beats or overly distorted guitar that I used to love. It actually hurts my ears to hear stuff like that now.

Music as an outlet for me has remained however. In fact, I've got Floyd's Animals blasting away on my much better stereo (there are advantages to growing up). When I'm mad at the world I listen to Roger Water's Amused to Death. When I'm wishing it was warmer, Buffett's Banana Wind is in the CD player.

My musical tastes have changed as I've aged, but it's purpose in my life has not. Listening to dark music did not turn me into a psycho or a ne'er-do-well. It turned me into a free-speech loving forum administrator, I thank my lucky stars for that. You should too wink2.gif
Danya
I'm making dinner and playing an Oldie's CD I made...I forgot to mention more of my favorites (in case anyone cares).

Smokey Robinson, Brenton Wood, Otis Redding, Mary Wells, and the most wonderful Al Green (at least his non religious stuff was wonderful, IMO.) happy.gif

I love music. I would hate for anyone to be deprived of their favorite stuff. wub.gif
Mike
Lord Zeved, from when I was in high school until now, I've listened mainly to hippy-type music, like the Grateful Dead and Phish.

So, by your account, I should in theory be all "peace and love" and "Earth first, brother".

mad.gif Yet I'm a cold, heartless conservative. mad.gif

How do you explain that? tongue.gif

Mike
Dontreadonme
I grew up listening to punk rock....Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, JFA, Suicidal Tendencies..........

Ok, so I still listen to them, but my wife is wearing me down with country music

Am I getting.........old? ohmy.gif
Limpubus
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Fortunately, I won't bother since that is not what this thread is about. I am compelled to comment on the actual topic - teens and music.


the funny thing about this is that this is what the post is about. The post is about how music effects the youth at which somepoint you were a part of. Like how I used to listen to death metal...and this has had no effect on me. Ofcourse somethings will still effect you. But what music you listen to will more or less has no later effect. Because it should never effect you.

A hint for my fellow posters:

Do not refer to things that are based on opinion and solely opinion as crap.
(some people may think that what you now choose is crap and so may you in a year)
Jaime
QUOTE(Limpubus @ Jan 5 2003, 11:41 PM)
But what music you listen to will more or less has no later effect.  Because it should never effect you.  


If music shouldn't "effect" us, it shouldn't have been one of man's first inventions, nor should it have lasted so long and have diverged into so many forms. Music is part and parcel of many cultures. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them just because you think you weren't effected by death metal.

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(some people may think that what you now choose is crap and so may you in a year)

Huh? Wait. Nevermind. I don't want to know.
Limpubus
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If music shouldn't "effect" us, it shouldn't have been one of man's first inventions


Why not...Music does not effect my mood, my mood effects my music.


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I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them just because you think you weren't effected by death metal.


Actually I know that there were no lasting effects of this music, but thanks for underminding what I said. And my point is that saying "you're mom tolerated the crap you used to listen to" you are judging others choice in music.
Jaime
QUOTE(Limpubus @ Jan 6 2003, 12:35 AM)
Why not...Music does not effect my mood, my mood effects my music.

That's you personally. Good for you. That doesn't mean it hasn't effected people for thousands of years. It may not effect them to an immediate action (like listening to death metal will cause one to shoot up a school), more like it can chill a person out after a bad day or make one feel closer to their god.

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but thanks for underminding what I said.

I did no such thing. See above statement.

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 And my point is that saying "you're mom tolerated the crap you used to listen to" you are judging others choice in music.

Yep. I am judging. So what? Am I not entitled to an opinion? I'll say it again - I think techno-beats and overly distorted guitar is crap. But does that make any teenager evil (oh yeah, the real topic here) NO WAY.
Limpubus
Sorry about the miscommunication usually when someone uses "you think" when they didn't it is underminding.

I can't say what music does for other people only myself.

I must also appologize for getting off topic.
Mike
Music certainly does add to the corruption of our children.

Want proof? Walk around my neighborhood. You'll hear all the kids singing their latest rap song, n-this, n-that, kill this guy, kill that guy.

If commonly using the "n" word in song and conversation at the age of 10 isn't corruption, I don't know what is.

Mike
Limpubus
The n-word is not proof of corruption. In the culture of those in your neighborhood it is commonplace and I don't see how you can prove that rap is the reason.
quarkhead
I think there are some qualifiers that ought to be on this debate. I believe that music, like TV or video games, CAN be corruptive for kids, but not because of its existence or content; it is in the absentee parents, or the parents who's idea of a babysitter is a television set.
Mike
Limpubus, I'll never convince you otherwise, as we have had similar arguments many times in person.

It just seems obvious to me that music full of profanity and hate is corrupting.

I have a feeling your response in this topic will make my point here in this thread. wink2.gif tongue.gif

Mike
Lord Zeved
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[quote] Music certainly does add to the corruption of our children.

Want proof? Walk around my neighborhood. You'll hear all the kids singing their latest rap song, n-this, n-that, kill this guy, kill that guy.

If commonly using the "n" word in song and conversation at the age of 10 isn't corruption, I don't know what is.
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As close to an amen as i can get. It is very true. Most kids arent aware of (i hope) the lyrics of the music. I'm not saying that the music is bad, the lyrics are. adding profanity in almost every line, talking about killing someone's mama or doing them, talking about how they would like to kill their teachers from 1st grade. isnt this stuff somehow affecting the children?

L. Zeved

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[quote]Why not...Music does not effect my mood, my mood effects my music.[/quote]
[quote]That doesn't mean it hasn't effected people for thousands of years[/quote]
[quote]Why not...Music does not effect my mood, my mood effects my music.
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*sigh* i know i aint a good speller, but it really gets me mad to hear effect instead of affect.

L. Zeved

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[quote=MadMax,Dec 31 2002, 07:20 PM]Z...

I addressed each part of your post including the 'why' about teens listening to such music.

I know it's long... but try to read it and respond, that's what debate is all about. Then again, this isn't the first time I've quoted and debated you and you didn't debate back.[/quote]
really, i am sooo sorry. i dont know when people email me or post new replys. I dont check my email too often, and id like to reply. which topics did you reply to and i did not debate?

I'll check out the first page of this, maybe ill ''read and respond''

L. Zeved

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wow, i'll have to agree to the point that it is long.

[quote]American youth has always been thought little of by their elders. Always. It's an American generational thing.[/quote]

but why? i know they have been thought little of, but why? because they feel they are better than their elders. what contributes to that feeling? the music. it emphasizes that teens are better than their parents. teens arent better.

[quote]I understand you live in the South, so you should know better than this. Country and Religious music are popular. Creed anyone? Garth Brooks anyone? Your assumption is wrong.[/quote]
Okay, lemme make that a bit more clear. COUNTRY AND RELIGIOUS MUSIC IS NOT POPULAR IN SCHOOL. At least not in GA.

[quote]Overused is an opinion. Also, many teens listen to the radio stations where most profanity is bleeped out. Obviously it's not all about the profanity or no teen would listen to these songs edited on the radio the way they do.[/quote]

Overused an opinion? i think not. from my understanding, most teens dont listen to much radio. it's mostly just CDs. with Kazaa, they can download songs and make CDs outta them. most kids dont know about that; they buy CDs, or burn them (copy).

From me,
[quote]Bands like Insane Clown Posse encourage kids to take drugs, drink alcohol, kill people, and have sex. Songs such as ''It's my way or the highway'' encourage kids to run away from home.[/quote]

[quote]They do not so much as 'encourage' as they do just sing about it.[/quote]

Yes, they do. On the O'Reilly Factor, it showed a tape of them. They were signing autographs and such and they told many different kids to smoke weed and steal.

[quote]They [CD players] are not allowed on school grounds for the reason that you are at school to learn. Not easily done with headphones jammed to your head. Not because of the content of the music.[/quote]

Oh? why cant they listen to it on the bus? bus drivers let them, but they are not supposed to. Why cant they listen to it at lunch? what are they learning then, how to use a fork?

[quote]I'd love to hear the original intent of music. Have you any ideas??[/quote]

Not my own; jus my dad's. My dad doesnt like these kinds of music either, he jus listens to religious music and christmas songs. he said the intention of music was to soothe people from a hard days work, relax, and of course, get some people rich.

From me,[quote]These are not the kids that make a lot of trouble, steal or start fights. Why?[/quote]

[quote]Because they are busy trying to figure out how to copy cat Columbine?? [/quote]

I'm sorry, but tell me: what is a columbine?

[quote]Nerds don't have low self esteem? No, of course not. Being set apart from your peers all of your life would NEVER make anyone depressed, make them wonder what was wrong with them, make them angry or rebellious. Never have murderous thoughts about those who mock and tease them mercilessly. Never. No. That just doesn't happen.[/quote]

sniff...i hate sarcasm... from my exp, nerds want to stay apart from them. of course, this is jus my opinion.

[quote]We need to better educate them. Be involved with them. Offer them things to fill their time and their minds. Encourage community activities. Feed them better. Treat them better.[/quote]

I agree, but you cant force parent to, can you? most of them are working all day, they dont know what their kids are doing. I'll add on to this later, but right now, LUNCH TIME!!

L. Zeved
Mike
PLEASE DO NOT SUBMIT 4 POSTS IN A ROW.

If you were the last poster, just hit the "EDIT" button.

I edited the posts.

Mike
Limpubus
I wasn't sure of which affect/effect to use so I went with the one I liked more...laziness on my part.

You want to talk about corrupting the youth let's talk about religious music. This is the worst example of corruption I have ever heard. I'd rather hear someone use the n-word than hear them praise the lord. I don't even want to get started on this here so look for a new topic soon.
MadMax
Z, This is entirely my response to you. Your text is regular, mine is in bold.



Most kids arent aware of (i hope) the lyrics of the music

If this is true it is against your purpose of this thread.

*sigh* i know i aint a good speller, but it really gets me mad to hear effect instead of affect.

*Sigh* It really gets me mad to see "ain't" and have to look at sentences with lack of capitalization, punctuation and grammar.


[QUOTE=MadMax,Dec 31 2002, 07:20 PM]Z...

really, i am sooo sorry. i dont know when people email me or post new replys. I dont check my email too often, and id like to reply. which topics did you reply to and i did not debate?

Then I suggest you don't get into a topic you aren't willing to respond to. The times I am talking about is when I ask you to back it up, it being whatever nonsense you are passing off as fact. smile.gif

but why? i know they have been thought little of, but why? because they feel they are better than their elders. what contributes to that feeling? the music. it emphasizes that teens are better than their parents. teens arent better.

Seeing as how music hasn't always been this "bad", your reasoning makes little sense.

Also, it's a generational thing. A nostalgia thing. Every adult has gone through puberty. Most adults went through what they despise in "young people today". It is just the way it is and has no bearing on music.

I can tell you this for many reasons. I'm irritated with "youth today". Not for music... just because they seem so green but they think they know it all (side note: do you not realize you are acting like that too?). Music has nothing to do with it and I'm sure many of your elders would agree with me.


Okay, lemme make that a bit more clear. COUNTRY AND RELIGIOUS MUSIC IS NOT POPULAR IN SCHOOL. At least not in GA.

I went to Public School in Georgia. I know what goes on the same as you do. Also, GA is not much different from SC aside from gas prices and who had the lotto first. Also, I have family attending school in GA. Also, I go to Augusta about twice a week. Augusta is in Georiga. Hint: You do not corner the market on what GA does and doesn't do. smile.gif

Overused an opinion? i think not.

Actually, it is an opinion. Opinion means this is what you think, not something that is fact. You think such and such is overused in music. That does not make it fact. That makes it... you guessed it! OPINION!

from my understanding, most teens dont listen to much radio.

Oh, but they do.

it's mostly just CDs. with Kazaa, they can download songs and make CDs outta them. most kids dont know about that; they buy CDs, or burn them (copy).

Yes, they do that too but the radio is still popular.

Yes, they do. On the O'Reilly Factor, it showed a tape of them. They were signing autographs and such and they told many different kids to smoke weed and steal.

Prove it. (This is generally where you don't come back to the debate in order to avoid proving what you type.)

Oh? why cant they listen to it on the bus? bus drivers let them, but they are not supposed to. Why cant they listen to it at lunch? what are they learning then, how to use a fork?

Well, let us see. Lunch is about 20min. Not really enough time to do anything but eat. Also, if it is allowed on school grounds it would be harder to keep the headphones of the heads in class, study hall and detention and other in school functions. As for the bus, why bring it only to listen to on the bus?? It is easier to ban them period than ban the only here and there. If you disagree, please find me school policy that states the reason headphones are banned is because children listen to evil music. I would La La La LUUUV to see that one.

Not my own; jus my dad's. My dad doesnt like these kinds of music either, he jus listens to religious music and christmas songs. he said the intention of music was to soothe people from a hard days work, relax, and of course, get some people rich.

That is your dad's reason for music. Doesn't make him the authority on the use of music through the ages.

I'm sorry, but tell me: what is a columbine?

Perhaps I spelled it wrong.. Colombine? You know, where those evil teens shot up their peers? Surely you know what Colombine is... ??

sniff...i hate sarcasm...

[b]No, you hate it used ON you, you actually like it when it is coming from YOUR fingers.


from my exp, nerds want to stay apart from them. of course, this is jus my opinion.

I'm sure over time this becomes true. BUT... it is human nature to want to be "a part of the crowd". Surely after being discluded for so long one loses most of the desire to "belong"... but I would say subconsciously, for most people, that need and desire to belong is still there.

I agree, but you cant force parent to, can you? most of them are working all day, they dont know what their kids are doing. I'll add on to this later, but right now, LUNCH TIME!!

No, you can't force parents. No reason to "hate" music though, eh?
Danya
On the O'Reilly Factor, it showed a tape of them.

First of all, O'Reilly is an idiot. He loves to get people all riled up over nothing. But, that's my opinion. He would love to censor the world and I don't want to be stuck listening or watching only things that are OK according to Bill the Idiot. I don't care what he says.

he said the intention of music was to soothe people from a hard days work, relax, and of course, get some people rich.

Your dad is right to an extent. That is ONE reason for music. There are a million others. What's wrong with using music as a way to express love, happiness, anger, etc. To me THAT is what music is for. It's all up to me. What kind of mood am I in...what kind of mood do I want to BE in. Do I want music that will help me release tension or am I in the mood to be soothed?

Music is universal and it's unexplaineble and it means something different to each of us. It's another form of language. Let it be.
otseng
Of course music affects you. There is no way to listen to music and NOT have it affect you.

Try listening to Bach for 30 minutes and not fall asleep. Try listening to Star and Stripes Forever and not think about July 4th. Music is both an expression of who we are and influencer of who we are.

I guess it's a separate debate on what type of music is "good" or "bad", but music certainly affects people.
Lord Zeved
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O'Reilly is an idiot.

Yeah, well, Oreilly is a strong Conservative and not afraid to cast his opinions. Al Gore and Jesse Jackson are afraid to go on his show because he would ask them so many ?s that they cant answer in public. Liberals hate him but conservatives love him. As you said, you have your opinions and i have mine. I dont want to make you watch it, but i do.

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Most kids arent aware of (i hope) the lyrics of the music

If this is true it is against your purpose of this thread.


From what i've heard, I think that kids do know what they're listening to. I've heard it said that whether you pay attention or not, if you listen to the same thing again and again, it goes into your memory in a subconscience level.

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Yes, they do. On the O'Reilly Factor, it showed a tape of them. They were signing autographs and such and they told many different kids to smoke weed and steal.

Prove it. (This is generally where you don't come back to the debate in order to avoid proving what you type.)


how can i prove it? In the past year, they showed that tape twice, and any regular watcher of that show will tell you. I already emailed the company, (FoX News Channel) but I'm afraid that many emails go unnoticed or they dont reply.

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Surely you know what Colombine is... ??

Actually, no. I never heard the term b4. Im an ignorant little boy that wants to learn but too lazy to search the web. Why do you think i never find many statistics that you ask for. What i say is common knowledge and opinions.

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sniff...i hate sarcasm...

[b]No, you hate it used ON you, you actually like it when it is coming from YOUR fingers.


err...i really dont like sarcasm. i always found it hard to decipher the real message, whether it's sarcasm or not. It's hard for me, i have to think. I'm lazy, as you know.

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No reason to "hate" music though, eh?


as i said b4, i dont hate music. i care nothing for it, but i still believe that music is a key factor to this society.

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Well, let us see. Lunch is about 20min. Not really enough time to do anything but eat.
You'd be very surprised. Lunch times vary, but for me, Ive ALWAYS had an easy time playing cards for 10-15 min.

L. Zeved
Dontreadonme
Actually, O'Reilly is an Independent, and very vocal about it, whether or not you agree is up to you.

If you listen closely, he has some liberal opinions ie...anti-death penalty, etc...
Lord Zeved
QUOTE(Limpubus @ Jan 6 2003, 05:12 PM)
I wasn't sure of which affect/effect to use so I went with the one I liked more...laziness on my part.

You want to talk about corrupting the youth let's talk about religious music.  This is the worst example of corruption I have ever heard.  I'd rather hear someone use the n-word than hear them praise the lord.  I don't even want to get started on this here so look for a new topic soon.

yeah, i know how you feel. I'm too lazy to type correctly, use capitalization, spell, etc.

affect over effect has always made me mad. i'm sry, i shouldnt get mad at people; i usually only see teachers making that mistake, so i always correct them. I'm sry, i didnt mean to get angry.

L. Zeved
Danya
O'Reilly has his own thread around here I believe, so I'll stay away from that topic, it doesn't interest me anyway.

as i said b4, i dont hate music. i care nothing for it, but i still believe that music is a key factor to this society.

That you care nothing for music is really sad. If you don't love some kind of music there is a missing element in your life, IMO. I hope you are able to expand yourself and fill it one of these days.
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