Full Version: Voter Fraud in Nevada
In the news today a group funded by the Republican National Committee has allegedly been trashing voter registrations belonging to Democrats in Nevada.
Questions for debate:
1. Does President Bush have an obligation to publically call for an immediate end to the activities of this firm in order to salvage the integrity of the election?
2. Should this firm be investigated and prosecuted for Voter Fraud?
3. Should the Republican National Committee be investigated for voter fraud given their financial ties to this firm?
4. Given that things like this are going on, what impact does this have on your confidence in the validity of the election results?
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The I-Team has obtained information about an alleged widespread pattern of potential registration fraud aimed at Democrats. The focus of the story is a private registration company called Voters Outreach of America, AKA America Votes.
The out-of-state firm has been in Las Vegas for the past few months, registering voters. It employed up to 300 part-time workers and collected hundreds of registrations per day, but former employees of the company say that Voters Outreach of America only wanted Republican registrations.
Two former workers say they personally witnessed company supervisors rip up and trash registration forms signed by Democrats.
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Eric Russell managed to retrieve a pile of shredded paperwork including signed voter registration forms, all from Democrats. We took them to the Clark County Election Department and confirmed that they had not, in fact, been filed with the county as required by law.
The out-of-state firm has been in Las Vegas for the past few months, registering voters. It employed up to 300 part-time workers and collected hundreds of registrations per day, but former employees of the company say that Voters Outreach of America only wanted Republican registrations.
Two former workers say they personally witnessed company supervisors rip up and trash registration forms signed by Democrats.
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Eric Russell managed to retrieve a pile of shredded paperwork including signed voter registration forms, all from Democrats. We took them to the Clark County Election Department and confirmed that they had not, in fact, been filed with the county as required by law.
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The company has been largely, if not entirely funded, by the Republican National Committee. Similar complaints have been received in Reno where the registrar has asked the FBI to investigate.
Questions for debate:
1. Does President Bush have an obligation to publically call for an immediate end to the activities of this firm in order to salvage the integrity of the election?
2. Should this firm be investigated and prosecuted for Voter Fraud?
3. Should the Republican National Committee be investigated for voter fraud given their financial ties to this firm?
4. Given that things like this are going on, what impact does this have on your confidence in the validity of the election results?
- Does President Bush have an obligation to publicly call for an immediate end to the activities of this firm in order to salvage the integrity of the election?
- Should this firm be investigated and prosecuted for Voter Fraud?
- Should the Republican National Committee be investigated for voter fraud given their financial ties to this firm?
- Given that things like this are going on, what impact does this have on your confidence in the validity of the election results?
I would say yes, but then are we not going to have UN inspectors monitoring the elections? Bush needs to be firm because he is the leader of the Republican Party. As well Kerry should be firm.
CO FRAUD: investigation uncovers voter registration fraud
FL FRAUD: ACORN Voter Registration Fraud Allegations
MO FRAUD: Allegations of voter registration fraud rankle nonprofit voter groups
OR FRAUD: As voter registration numbers soar, so does possibility of fraud
ME FRAUD: Clerks warned against absentee ballot fraud
WI FRAUD: Lawyers to keep eye on polling sites
Just to name a few states dealing with the problems of voter fraud. As evident by each article, the fraud seems to be stemming from both parties.
FBI investigation; obviously there is Voter Fraud.
FBI investigation into an fraud.
Voter fraud is apart of American history. Taking away our fraud is like taking away our nature. But when fraud is committed, the FBI should investigate every time, make a decision and then, and punish the bad people.
The election still has my confidence because Bush and Kerry already have teams with legal forms prepared to challenge any 'close ties.'
Does President Bush have an obligation to publicly call for an immediate end to the activities of this firm in order to salvage the integrity of the election?
No more of an obligation than Kerry. Would be nice, but not an obligation.
Should this firm be investigated and prosecuted for Voter Fraud?
Should the Republican National Committee be investigated for voter fraud given their financial ties to this firm?
Yes and yes. Here's America Votes' website. They're affiliated with, or work alongside America Coming Together. I don't know if ACT and other organizations on America Votes' "coalition" receive Republican funding but it doesn't hurt to bring the "coalition's" attention to the article.
Given that things like this are going on, what impact does this have on your confidence in the validity of the election results?
Our state-by-state regulations should be uniform. Organizations, partisan organizations volunteering to register voters, while useful, will always provide the opportunity for volunteers to commit voter fraud without strict, transparent accountability to the public. I registered with my state legislature. She went around apartment registering voters. I think my vote will count at the ballot.
No more of an obligation than Kerry. Would be nice, but not an obligation.
Should this firm be investigated and prosecuted for Voter Fraud?
Should the Republican National Committee be investigated for voter fraud given their financial ties to this firm?
Yes and yes. Here's America Votes' website. They're affiliated with, or work alongside America Coming Together. I don't know if ACT and other organizations on America Votes' "coalition" receive Republican funding but it doesn't hurt to bring the "coalition's" attention to the article.
Given that things like this are going on, what impact does this have on your confidence in the validity of the election results?
Our state-by-state regulations should be uniform. Organizations, partisan organizations volunteering to register voters, while useful, will always provide the opportunity for volunteers to commit voter fraud without strict, transparent accountability to the public. I registered with my state legislature. She went around apartment registering voters. I think my vote will count at the ballot.
Bush has NO obligation to do ANYTHING about voter fraud. Such things are state and local problems and not Federal.
However, it is well known that most vote fraud is spawned from Democrats. Regardless of that, ALL vote fraud should be investigated. I think our voter rolls are in a sorry state all across the country.
I would support a national campaign to correct the vote rolls. Perhaps EVERYONE should re-register after this election and the current voter rolls thrown out enmasse?
However, it is well known that most vote fraud is spawned from Democrats. Regardless of that, ALL vote fraud should be investigated. I think our voter rolls are in a sorry state all across the country.
I would support a national campaign to correct the vote rolls. Perhaps EVERYONE should re-register after this election and the current voter rolls thrown out enmasse?
QUOTE(cogito ergo sum @ Oct 13 2004, 12:29 PM)
However, it is well known that most vote fraud is spawned from Democrats.
Well known? Are we just making blanket assertions based on no evidence today or do you have any proof to back that up. If you do, please cite it.
This post wasn't meant to be a slam on Bush or anything, but he is the President, and therefore actually has a little bit of power. I would think that Bush would like to avoid the election results being questioned like they were in 2000, regardless of the outcome.
This isn't a my party vs. your party thing, this is serious. We absolutely cannot tolerate things like this no matter what our political leanings are.
1. Does President Bush have an obligation to publically call for an immediate end to the activities of this firm in order to salvage the integrity of the election?
Ditto what Lesly said, it would be nice if both candidates did this. Would be a nice touch at the debate tonight, for instance.
2. Should this firm be investigated and prosecuted for Voter Fraud?
Absolutely.
3. Should the Republican National Committee be investigated for voter fraud given their financial ties to this firm?
I think that this would be the logical part of any investigation.
4. Given that things like this are going on, what impact does this have on your confidence in the validity of the election results?
I am still confident, based on the steps being taken. For instance, setting aside all 'provisional ballots' is NOT disenfranchisement, it seems more like being prudent and reacting to a problem.
Just to add to yehoshua's fairly extensive list - this is indeed a serious problem that would be worth looking into before 2008. Harmonizing registration requirements would be good for the country and reduce incentive for fraud.
OH fraud - ACORN accused of fraud in Ohio
PA fraud - It's more than just ACORN
NV registrations - 17,000 incorrect registrations in one district challenged
WI fraud update - City of Milwaukee asks for more than twice as many ballots as there are registered voters in the city
Cube Jockey, to amplify your point, I don't think that it's possible to read all of the links here and make a judgement about who is worse. Democrats in big cities are probably worse in the sense of over-agressive registrations, and Republicans are probably worse at challenging legitamacy of voters - address, status, etc. In either case, it's unfortunate.
Ditto what Lesly said, it would be nice if both candidates did this. Would be a nice touch at the debate tonight, for instance.
2. Should this firm be investigated and prosecuted for Voter Fraud?
Absolutely.
3. Should the Republican National Committee be investigated for voter fraud given their financial ties to this firm?
I think that this would be the logical part of any investigation.
4. Given that things like this are going on, what impact does this have on your confidence in the validity of the election results?
I am still confident, based on the steps being taken. For instance, setting aside all 'provisional ballots' is NOT disenfranchisement, it seems more like being prudent and reacting to a problem.
Just to add to yehoshua's fairly extensive list - this is indeed a serious problem that would be worth looking into before 2008. Harmonizing registration requirements would be good for the country and reduce incentive for fraud.
OH fraud - ACORN accused of fraud in Ohio
PA fraud - It's more than just ACORN
NV registrations - 17,000 incorrect registrations in one district challenged
WI fraud update - City of Milwaukee asks for more than twice as many ballots as there are registered voters in the city
Cube Jockey, to amplify your point, I don't think that it's possible to read all of the links here and make a judgement about who is worse. Democrats in big cities are probably worse in the sense of over-agressive registrations, and Republicans are probably worse at challenging legitamacy of voters - address, status, etc. In either case, it's unfortunate.
I work for ACT, America Coming Together in Oregon, and we have registered 50,000 new voter since August. A lot of those registrations have been Democrats because ACT is an organisation whos stated goal is to stop Bush from being re-elected. ACT is a non-partisan organization legally, but a biased one, which I have no problem with. I have personally registered a few republicans as well as democrats because we are all required by law to register everyone who asks for it. The subject of voter fraud is a very serious one at ACT. Any tampering with anyone's voter registration results in immediate termination. The management of ACT stands by this.
These groups that are tearing up democrat registrations must be punished thoroughly for their actions, as well as anyone convicted of voter fraud vs. Repubs.
I believe this is going to be the first of a plague of fraud stories heading up to the election, and I can bet that Bush and friends will stand to benefit a lot more than us.
These groups that are tearing up democrat registrations must be punished thoroughly for their actions, as well as anyone convicted of voter fraud vs. Repubs.
I believe this is going to be the first of a plague of fraud stories heading up to the election, and I can bet that Bush and friends will stand to benefit a lot more than us.
QUOTE(Hero @ Oct 13 2004, 05:58 PM)
I work for ACT, America Coming Together in Oregon, and we have registered 50,000 new voter since August. A lot of those registrations have been Democrats because ACT is an organisation whos stated goal is to stop Bush from being re-elected. ACT is a non-partisan organization legally, but a biased one, which I have no problem with. I have personally registered a few republicans as well as democrats because we are all required by law to register everyone who asks for it. The subject of voter fraud is a very serious one at ACT. Any tampering with anyone's voter registration results in immediate termination. The management of ACT stands by this.
These groups that are tearing up democrat registrations must be punished thoroughly for their actions, as well as anyone convicted of voter fraud vs. Repubs.
I believe this is going to be the first of a plague of fraud stories heading up to the election, and I can bet that Bush and friends will stand to benefit a lot more than us.
These groups that are tearing up democrat registrations must be punished thoroughly for their actions, as well as anyone convicted of voter fraud vs. Repubs.
I believe this is going to be the first of a plague of fraud stories heading up to the election, and I can bet that Bush and friends will stand to benefit a lot more than us.
To recap:
- ACT is funded by George Soros, a man dedicated exclusively to leftist political views, and whose mission in life these days is to defeat GW Bush.
- ACT is an organisation whos stated goal is to stop Bush from being re-elected
- You are admittedly registering almost exclusively Democrats, to the tune of 50,000 in Oregon.
- There are concerns that some of the registrations are legitimate (see below), and that underage children have been registered.
Weighing all of this information brings you to the conclusion that - there is an upcoming "plague" of fraud stories. And of course "Bush and friends" stand to benefit. Couldn't we logically say "Let's keep an eye on things" and express legitimate concern without it being a partisan scheme?
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Election officials in Oregon say they are concerned that paid canvassers using aggressive techniques to increase their partisan flock could turn in illegitimate ballots here as well.
Oregon Elections Director John Lindback said clerks in Oregon have found examples of similar signatures on more than one registration card and have fielded complaints from parents who said they had received notices indicating their underage children have been registered to vote.
"We are concerned about it," Lindback said, who warned election officials to "be vigilant in their review of all voter registration cards."
Oregon Elections Director John Lindback said clerks in Oregon have found examples of similar signatures on more than one registration card and have fielded complaints from parents who said they had received notices indicating their underage children have been registered to vote.
"We are concerned about it," Lindback said, who warned election officials to "be vigilant in their review of all voter registration cards."
After reading all of this (not just Oregon) I'm thinking more and more that we should ban 'get out the vote' efforts altogether. Why would I trust my application when so many of those collecting the registrations are biased one way or the other? This just screams potential fraud - on both sides. Maybe people shouldn't vote if they can't be bother to get their lazy butts to what - The DMV, city hall, even Howard Stern dot com - to register. It just couldn't be easier. If those millions of indifferent voters don't have enough passion to even register, how can they carefully consider the issues enough to have an educated vote.
Lastly, let's stop being the only civilized country in the world that has elections on a Tuesday. That's just stupid. Register when you get your driver's license, and vote on Saturday morning. Couldn't be simpler.
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