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Democrats in Florida already are pursuing nine election-related lawsuits, accusing state election officials of conspiring to disenfranchise minority voters.
The election has yet to take place, but we already have the first law suits. These 9 suits claim that "Republican officials refused to count provisional ballots, improperly disqualified incomplete voter registrations, established overly restrictive rules to disproportionately hurt minority voters and actively sought to disenfranchise blacks." But the ballots have yet to be counted?Questions:
- Is it too soon to be suing over ballot counts?
- If Kerry or Bush lose the state of Florida by a large margin, should we continue with these lawsuits?
- Does the ability to sue election results benefit America?
- Will this cause a drop in the stock market and a poor Christmas like what was felt in 2000?
1. Is it too soon to be suing over ballot counts?
Since they’ve already had early voting in Florida and allegedly there were improprieties then no it’s not too soon.
2. If Kerry or Bush lose the state of Florida by a large margin, should we continue with these lawsuits?
Regardless if Bush or Kerry win by a landslide or 2 votes, if there are suspicious activities regarding voters than they will have the right to sue.
3. Does the ability to sue election results benefit America?
If that’s what it takes to get this mess sorted out then yes. Some lawsuits actually provide positive results. It’s outrageous and an eyesore for this country that we can’t hold elections without some type of dispute.
And we invaded a country in the name of democracy and now we’re going to show them how to hold elections?
4. Will this cause a drop in the stock market and a poor Christmas like what was felt in 2000?
I think the slow Christmas had more to due with an economy that was starting to stall than the election mess of 2000. Historically it depends on who wins. Typically when the incumbent wins things continue to hum right along. It’s the new face in the Oval office that often causes skittish behavior in our key economic indicators.
Since they’ve already had early voting in Florida and allegedly there were improprieties then no it’s not too soon.
2. If Kerry or Bush lose the state of Florida by a large margin, should we continue with these lawsuits?
Regardless if Bush or Kerry win by a landslide or 2 votes, if there are suspicious activities regarding voters than they will have the right to sue.
3. Does the ability to sue election results benefit America?
If that’s what it takes to get this mess sorted out then yes. Some lawsuits actually provide positive results. It’s outrageous and an eyesore for this country that we can’t hold elections without some type of dispute.
And we invaded a country in the name of democracy and now we’re going to show them how to hold elections?
4. Will this cause a drop in the stock market and a poor Christmas like what was felt in 2000?
I think the slow Christmas had more to due with an economy that was starting to stall than the election mess of 2000. Historically it depends on who wins. Typically when the incumbent wins things continue to hum right along. It’s the new face in the Oval office that often causes skittish behavior in our key economic indicators.
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Is it too soon to be suing over ballot counts?
Probably, but just right to sue for registration fraud. Disallowing votes to count I would imagine is a hot button for Demos in Florida. Do you blame them?
I understand that the officials watching the polls in Canada are not allowed to vote.
Hint, hint.
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If Kerry or Bush lose the state of Florida by a large margin, should we continue with these lawsuits?
Sure! Let's get this democracy thing right!
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Does the ability to sue election results benefit America?
Think of the alternative, comrade.
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Will this cause a drop in the stock market and a poor Christmas like what was felt in 2000?
Sell short now! Buy long in December!
Who knows. The stock market is a rigged game from what I can see. But then, I'm only a former dabbler. Made a few, lost a few -- just like the casinos.
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1.)No, it isn't too soon. If some of these things can be clarified sooner rather than later, it may be a helpful guide as to how similar problems will be handled in the future, as well as guarantee that problems will be handled in a timely manner.
2.)The ability to sue does benefit America because it will guarantee a more fair process and perhaps put a stop to "dirty trick" tactics that both parties engage in to an extent. Things such as a door to door walker asking who the person plans to vote for, and then tells them not to show up at the polls since they've marked the vote for them have been occuring in the state of Florida.
3.)I personally could care less how lawsuits over the election would affect the stock market or consumer confidence. What matters more than someone's portfolio is the integrity of our political system and the voice of the people. I'd rather have a depression than to see questionable election behavior wrongly elect a person and then have everyone say they "just want it to be over" in order for someone's dividends to continue earning them money.
- Is it too soon to be suing over ballot counts?
- If Kerry or Bush lose the state of Florida by a large margin, should we continue with these lawsuits?
- Does the ability to sue election results benefit America?
- Will this cause a drop in the stock market and a poor Christmas like what was felt in 2000?
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1.)No, it isn't too soon. If some of these things can be clarified sooner rather than later, it may be a helpful guide as to how similar problems will be handled in the future, as well as guarantee that problems will be handled in a timely manner.
2.)The ability to sue does benefit America because it will guarantee a more fair process and perhaps put a stop to "dirty trick" tactics that both parties engage in to an extent. Things such as a door to door walker asking who the person plans to vote for, and then tells them not to show up at the polls since they've marked the vote for them have been occuring in the state of Florida.
3.)I personally could care less how lawsuits over the election would affect the stock market or consumer confidence. What matters more than someone's portfolio is the integrity of our political system and the voice of the people. I'd rather have a depression than to see questionable election behavior wrongly elect a person and then have everyone say they "just want it to be over" in order for someone's dividends to continue earning them money.
[*]4. Will this cause a drop in the stock market and a poor Christmas like what was felt in 2000?[/list]
The election has caused the stock market to take a dive. I think this may be based upon the fear of increased taxes under a Kerry Presidency. Despite all the feather ruffling done before the election, on the day of election, as Rush and Drudge report Kerry leading, *BAM*, the market dives. We shall see tomorrow just how far it will dive.
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The Dow industrials ($INDU) dipped briefly into negative territory after a late-day sell-off erased earlier gains of as much as 79 points. The Dow was last up 6 points at 10,061, but hit a low of 10,047 a few minutes earlier. “The only thing I can see is that the Drudge Report shows the preliminary exit polls showing Kerry within striking distance,” said Jay Suskind, director of trading of Ryan, Beck & Co. Miller Tabak equity strategist Peter Boockvar said the fall was on nothing in particular, but also mentioned the Drudge Report showing that Kerry was running more competitively than initially thought.
The election has caused the stock market to take a dive. I think this may be based upon the fear of increased taxes under a Kerry Presidency. Despite all the feather ruffling done before the election, on the day of election, as Rush and Drudge report Kerry leading, *BAM*, the market dives. We shall see tomorrow just how far it will dive.
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The election has caused the stock market to take a dive. I think this may be based upon the fear of increased taxes under a Kerry Presidency. Despite all the feather ruffling done before the election, on the day of election, as Rush and Drudge report Kerry leading, *BAM*, the market dives. We shall see tomorrow just how far it will dive.
You may be right, but I think Fife and Drum's explanation is more credible. Stock markets just don't like change much. It doesn't matter much whether the change turns out to be good or bad.
1. Is it too soon to be suing over ballot counts?
Not necessarily - especially as it is alleged that many thousands of postal ballots went missing days before the election. Any lawsuits related to this problem may well be fair game (I haven't looked up the detail to be more definite. The season 5 finale of The Sopranos is on in 10 minutes, so I won't have the time
). 2. If Kerry or Bush lose the state of Florida by a large margin, should we continue with these lawsuits?
Not if it's a wide margin, no. Or at least, if the margin is wider than the alleged election fraud. (That goes for both main parties, by the way. Election fraud is reprehensible whoever does it.)
3. Does the ability to sue election results benefit America?
Overall, yes. But like freedom to sue over any issue, the benefit comes with the possibility of mischievious or malicious prosecution. You won't get one without the other.
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