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Cube Jockey
The election is 4 days away, and I thought it might be a fun exercise (meaning we don't need to debate to do this) for everyone to answer a few questions based on their predictions for the election results. After it is all over we can see who was the closest and that person will get ... drumroll.gif bragging rights until the next election mrsparkle.gif

I have seen this in several places around the 'net recently, these questions closely resemble the ones over at Daily KOS, but I'm not offering any money wink.gif

1. What do you predict the percentage break out will be for Bush, Kerry and other candidates of the popular vote?

2. What's your prediction for them in the Electoral Vote? Feel free to list specific states if you'd like.

3. Which state do you predict will provide the biggest surprise?


Also, remember to vote in this thread after you have voted in the 2004 election.
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yehoshua
Do we get money if we guess right?
  1. What do you predict the percentage break out will be for Bush, Kerry and other candidates of the popular vote?

    BUSH: 50%
    KERRY: 48%
    NADER: 1%
    OTHER: 1%

  2. What's your prediction for them in the Electoral Vote? Feel free to list specific states if you'd like.

    BUSH: 286
    KERRY: 252

    I have BUSH WI (I know the stretch), MN, and FL. I gave Kerry OH, PA, MI, and NH. (Best to use this: PBS Map)

  3. Which state do you predict will provide the biggest surprise?
I see WI and MN swing towards Bush as a big upset early in the for Democrats. I see FL has not being that close. I would be floored if BUSH took HI and NJ.
Cube Jockey
1. What do you predict the percentage break out will be for Bush, Kerry and other candidates of the popular vote?
I think the popular vote is going to break down as follows:
Kerry 52%
Bush 47%
Nader 1%
Others Negligible

The factor I'm predicting will throw everyone is the new voter registrations, particularly amongst minorities and the younger folks. To a certain extent I think we'll be doing post election analysis and find out that all the polls we all clung to were rather useless because of the inability to account for record registrations and turn-out.

2. What's your prediction for them in the Electoral Vote? Feel free to list specific states if you'd like.

I think the electoral vote is going to be fairly tight. I see Kerry winning with 274 votes. The SF Chronicle has an electoral map which appears to be dynamic.

Of the states currently listed as battleground (NV, NM, MN, WI, MI, IA, OH, PA, FL and HI) I think Kerry is going to take MN, WI, MI, OH, PA and possibly IA (too close to call I think).

Bush will take NV, NM, FL and HI leaving him with... not enough votes.

I expect to see a very tight electoral race, but I think Kerry will prevail because it is extremely hard to discount all of the bad news for Bush over the past week and especially the past few days.

3. Which state do you predict will provide the biggest surprise?
The surprise I think will be AR, most polls currently cite this state as "leaning Bush", but the DNC is going to drop 250K in advertising in that state over the next few days and I don't think they'd waste that money if they didn't feel they had a good shot. Plus there is also the Clinton factor.

Anyway, I guess time will tell.
DaffyGrl
1.What do you predict the percentage break out will be for Bush, Kerry and other candidates of the popular vote?

My completely unscientific WAG is:

57% Kerry
42% Bush
<1% Nader

2.What's your prediction for them in the Electoral Vote? Feel free to list specific states if you'd like.

I’m gonna go out on a limb….
284 Kerry
254 Bush

3.Which state do you predict will provide the biggest surprise?

Florida. I think it will go to Kerry and everyone’s jaws will drop.
Government Mule
1. What do you predict the percentage break out will be for Bush, Kerry and other candidates of the popular vote?

Voters in Texas are working overtime:
49.6% Bush
49.4% Kerry
1% Nader

Yes, I want Bush to win the popular vote!!!

2. What's your prediction for them in the Electoral Vote? Feel free to list specific states if you'd like.

Better polling site

Clearly displaying why Kerry will win the following:
CO Kerry up by 6 points
WI Kerry up by 4 points
HI Kerry up but close
IA Kerry up but close
OH Kerry up by 4 points

280 Kerry
258 Bush

Ironic huh?

3. Which state do you predict will provide the biggest surprise?

I am with DaffyGirl on this one. Florida, and someone will be firing a brother soon. God we can only pary (typo, make it PRAY or PARTY, your choice. )at this point.
lederuvdapac
Popular Vote:
51% Bush
47% Kerry
2% Nader

Electoral Vote:
Bush 300
Kerry 238

Kerry wins the following battleground states: Penn./Michigan/Minn./new Hampshire

Bush wins the following battleground states: Ohio/Florida/Wisconsin/Colorado/Iowa/Nevada/New Mexico (i also have Bush taking Hawaii)

I dont know if many know about this site...but (www.realclearpolitics.com) has averages of all the polls taken in each state and nationwide...very helpful.
BecomingHuman
Kerry ultimately has the harder battle here. Though that is true, I think the current polls reflect a good kerry lead at this point. Right now, Kerry has a solid 207 electoral points behind him, including Hawaii. I know that two current polls show Hawaii will be taken by Bush, but I am very confident that this will not happen. As many pollsters have said already on a variety of different shows, Hawaii has too strong of a democratic backing to be taken by Bush. I would bet anything that this is the case.

Lets look at the real clear politics poll right now. With a good 207 (including Michigan), kerry is favored in:

Pennsylvania, bringing us to 228
Wisconsin, bringing us to 238
Ohio, bringing us to 258
New Hampshire, bringing us to 262
Battle Ground states
From here, there are a variety of options for Kerry. Including Minnesota, which was a kerry state before. Or Florida, which is hotly contested but I think will go to Bush. Iowa is another possibility (It appears to be leaning Bush). We'll see though, but for such a closely contested election Kerrys doing pretty good.

Theres a bunch of discrepancy all around. Gallup is in a world of its own, and has continually included more republicans in their polls than democrats. Zogby has Kerry up in Colorado, which isn't very likely in my opinion. I've continually had to drop LA times poll out as well (highest and lowest) so I've pretty much stopped trusting that.

Its seemingly anyones game, but I am a believer in the big three. He who wins two of the three will win the election. So far, its looking like Kerrys going to make it.
kalabus
I predict the popular vote will be

Bush 49%
Kerry 48%
Nader 1.3%
Badnarik 1%
Other .6%

On the States.

The following are the States I am 90% sure Kerry will carry.

California 55
Connecticut 7
Delaware 3
Hawaii 4.....I just do not believe the polls. No way a conservatibe truly has a chance here.
Illinois 21....On a sidenoteI think the Senator race be Obama 75% Keyes 25%
All the districts of Maine 4
Maryland 10
Massachussets 12
New York 31
New Jersey 15...Like Hawaii I have a hard time believing Bush has a real chance here.
Rhode Island 4
Vermont 3
Washington 11
DC 3

I consider these to be Kerry locks. These locks constitute 183 electoral votes.

The following are Bush locks

Alabama 9
Alaska 3
Arizona 10...some polls have it contested but I say Bush by 4%
Georgia 15
Idaho 4
Indiana 11
Kansas 6
Kentucky 8....Bunning and his erratic behavior cost him his senator spot though
Louisianna 9
Mississippi 6
Montana 3
All the districts of Nebraska....all by a huge percent 5
North Carolina 15 Edwards makes the margin only 8%
North Dakota 3
Oklahoma 7....Brad Carson falls just short of nutso
South Carolina 8
South Dakota 3 but Daschle squeaks out another term
Tennessee 11...Some polls say battleground but even Gore lost Bush by 9%
Texas 34
Utah 5
Virginia 13...Some polls say close but I really doubt it
W. Virginia 4....Many still say battleground but I think Bush wins by 3.5%...but I predict that one elector abstains from Bush which is why I only list 4 electoral votes from W. Virginia instead of 5.
Wyoming 3....I predict all 19 people in Wyoming vote Bush

Bush Locked electoral count...195

The next are Kerry Leans in my estimation.

Michigan 17...Recent polls have it closer but Michigan always ends up democrat. Kerry has held a consistent lead throughout and I think he wins by 2.5%

Oregon 7....Close to a lock. Bush has abandoned for the most part.

Pennsylvania 21...Again Kerry has held on to a small but consistent lead here I think he wins by 2%

After Leans Kerry is at 228

Bush Leans

Missouri 11....Recent polls have tightened up the race but Bush has led throughout. I suspect Bush by 2.5%

Nevada 5....Polls are all over in this state but I think it is leaning Bush ans will stay that way Bush by 2%

Arkansas 6...Last I checked it's in the south. I do not know why the polls have it so close but I think Bush takes it by 2%. Clinton is too little too late here.

Bush after Leans is at 217

This leaves the what I consider real toss up states. Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Ohio and Wisconsin. These states constitute 92 electoral votes. In my gut here is my prediction on these states.

Colorado 9..Despite the fact that Salazar will beat Pete Coors (where is Canada?) in the senate race and the growing Hispanic population and recent polls that show Kerry ahead....I just have to believe this state based on its history will go Bush. I am also sure that Amendament 36 will fail by 12%. I predict Bush by 1.3%

Florida 27.. The hardest state. Some polls have Bush up big like LA times but I doubt it. Quinnipiac which has been generous to republicans in states like New Jersey has stated that Kerry is doing well in early voting. 1.8 million new voters are registered.....I just believe though that Bush will some how again eek this state out....forget % I predict Bush wins by 700 votes.......And I expect a 2000 esqe repeat.

Minnesota 10. I think Kerry. He has been in the lead in an overwhelming number of polls here. Bush has looked solid of late but this state like Colorado's opposite has a long tradition of trending democrat. I think Kerry by 1.7%

Iowa 7. I think Kerry eeks this state out like Gore in 2000. This state is extremely tight but its past voting trends will allow Kerry to win by a single percentage point.

New Hampshire 4...I think Kerry. A certain number of these folks feel theye made a mistake in 2000. Kerry has led here for a long time although it has tightened of late. Being Mass nighbor will carry some votes and I think Kerry wins by 2%

New Mexico 5. I again think Kerry. New Mexico has a 50% hispanic population and Bill Richardson is well liked. They have registerd 100k new voters and despite the majority of polls that say Bush I think it remains democrat this year. ....barely Kerry by .7%

Ohio 20. I think Kerry. The job losses are a myth line killed Bush here I think. Unemployment have hit it hard and Kerry is growing more solid here despite its more conservatove history. I think Kerry wins by 2.5%

Wisconsin 10. I think this will be the closest state maybe. It is more rural then more democratic neighbors but men like Russ Feingold will barely keep this a blue state. I think despite its back and forth routine that Kerry will in the end eek this one out by 1k votes.

So my final conclusion is that Kerry will win 284 electoral votes and Bush will win 253 with the one republican elector from West Virginia abstaining.

Joe Biden will be Secretary of State and Mccain Sec of defense.
Rancid Uncle
Popular Vote
Kerry 50%
Bush 47%

Electoral Vote
Kerry 304: Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Minnesota, New Mexico, Wisconsin, Michigan, New Hampshire
Bush 234: Arizona, Iowa, West Virginia, Colorado, Nevada, Arkansas, Missouri

Surprise
I think Kerry will be surprisingly close in West and even regular Virginia but come up just short.

I think Kerry is going to win for one main reason. He'll get so many votes in the urban areas that the security moms and NASCAR dads will be irrelevant.
redliner1989
Until mid afternoon today I wouldn't have laid money one way or another, but after the release of the latest OBL tape I call the popular vote to Bush 53/46 with more then enough electorial votes to win the thing.

Bush has always had a more solid base then Kerry and this only helps to solidify Bush's base, while working against the softer Kerry base.

This might also be the blow that gives Thune just enough to take out Dascle.

Minnesota will go Bush, as will Iowa, Florida, Nevada, New Mexico, Florida, Wisconsin, West Virginia, Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Arkansas, Missouri and Hawaii. He will also squeak out Ohio and, because of 9/11, New Jersey will go Red.

OBL was attempting to do to The United States what he did to Spain.

Off the topic. It is obvious that OBL is, like most Morons that gain fame through despicable acts, starting to perceive himself a Celebrity, and like all the rest of them, it will eventually bring the idiot to his knees.
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cwadley
QUOTE(Cube Jockey @ Oct 29 2004, 01:26 PM)
1. What do you predict the percentage break out will be for Bush, Kerry and other candidates of the popular vote?

Bush 52%, Kerry 47%, Other 1%

QUOTE(Cube Jockey @ Oct 29 2004, 01:26 PM)
2. What's your prediction for them in the Electoral Vote?  Feel free to list specific states if you'd like.

Bush 286, Kerry 252. Swing states: Bush takes Florida (27), Iowa (7), Minnesota (10), and Wisconsin (10). Kerry takes New Hampshire (4), Ohio (20), and Pennsylvania (21).

QUOTE(Cube Jockey @ Oct 29 2004, 01:26 PM)
3. Which state do you predict will provide the biggest surprise?

Hmm. Well, take your pick from the above. I think New Jersey could be a big surprise and go to Bush, but I'm not counting on it.
Eeyore
Bush 49%
Kerry 48%

Kerry 275
Bush 263
Hobbes
I tend to think it will break pretty much like realclearpolitics averages...which show Bush 49% Kerry 47% currently, or a bit more towards Bush. I tend to think that, when it finally comes down to it, many of those who currently claim to be undecided will go Bush. Basically, I think those that would go Kerry already have, for the most part. It's more a matter, in the swing states, of each side getting out their vote than it is convincing any of the undecideds.

I also tend to think the electoral college will break about the way the averages currently show. This would put Florida in Bush's camp, and Ohio and Pennsylvania in Kerry's. This gives Bush a slight lead in EC votes, I think. I don't really see any surprises breaking Kerry's way, but we'll see. The potential surprise states are, I think, CO, Ohio, and NJ. All of those would be surprises if they went Bush, at this point.
Eeyore
I just crunched Zogby/Reuter;s numbers
which were
Kerry 47 Bush 46

But as far as I could tell their state trends would have it
Bush 273
Kerry 265

Odd because I just saw Zogby saying that he thought the election would go Kerry on Jn Stewart's Show, which of course prompted Stewart to ask if his prediction changed based on whose show he was on. w00t.gif
still
Severely Subjective Prediction:

The polls are being hampered this year by strict cold-calling rules, and as a result many of them are skewing towards older voters. In my opinion, among younger voters, Kerry is many percentage points ahead of Bush. Get-out-the-vote drives will be more successful than in recent years, and apathy will be down because there is (the perception of) a real choice this year. I think Kerry will win a larger popular victory than many people are saying now because of Democratic turnout in California, Illinois, and New York; the polling data is so limited, I don't think it really represents what will happen. However, the large lead Kerry will have in the popular vote won't exactly translate to the electoral college, & the eletoral race will be very close (assuming Colorado's split vote measure won't pass & other split states won't split).

With that in mind, here's my crystal ball:
Kerry 53%
Bush 43%
Nader 3%
Others 1%

EC:
Kerry 270: Minnesota, Michigan, New Mexico, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire
Bush 268: Ohio, Florida, Colorado, Hawaii

Surprise state: Arizona will go for Kerry.
I would be shocked if Bush lost Ohio.
I think that Kerry will run stronger than expected in Missouri and Arkansas, though he will not win them. Same goes for Bush in Oregon and Washington.
Nader will be stronger than expected in places like Florida, New Jersey, Ohio, and across the Rocky Mountain and Western Plains states. Possibly he will get the same percentage as the last election, even though he's not on every state's ballot.
crashfourit
I predict that Pres. Bush would win but nether candidate will get the popular vote.

Oh, there is a freak chance that neither candidate will get a majority in the Electorial College. 538/2=269

Ie.
Bush would have 269 EV
Kerry would have 269 EV

Then this tie would be broken by the House, each state having one vote.
Hugo
Bush 286 Kerry 252. Popular vote could go either way.
carlitoswhey
Mason-Dixon was the most accurate for 2002, so here goes.

Florida: Bush 49, Kerry 45
Arkansas: Bush 51, Kerry 43
Colorado: Bush 50, Kerry 43
Ohio: Bush 48, Kerry 46
Iowa: Bush 49, Kerry 44
Missouri: Bush 49, Kerry 45
Nevada: Bush 50, Kerry 44
West Virginia: Bush 51, Kerry 43

Minnesota: Bush 48, Kerry 47
New Mexico: Bush 49, Kerry 45
Michigan: Kerry 47, Bush 45
New Hampshire: Kerry 47, Bush 45
Oregon: Kerry 50, Bush 44
Pennsylvania: Kerry 48, Bush 46
Wisconsin: Kerry 48, Bush 46

Ah, heck with the polls. After reading these, I don't know what the heck it means, and don't have time to map it, but I think it goes to bush... smile.gif

Popular Vote - Bush 50, Kerry 47, Nader 1, and I really hope that Badnarik gets enough so that the Libs get TV mentions!

Electoral - Bush 296, Kerry 242

Hawaii is the surprise state, but it swaps with Kerry picking up New Hampshire.
yehoshua
QUOTE(crashfourit @ Nov 1 2004, 08:07 AM)
Oh, there is a freak chance that neither candidate will get a majority in the Electorial College. 538/2=269

Ie.
Bush would have 269 EV
Kerry would have 269 EV

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I didn't buy this at first. But I went with Zogby's current numbers and you get 269 to 269.

Give Bush: CO, IA, NV, NM, OH, WV, WI
Give Kerry: FL, MI, MN, NH, PA (though current tie)

So maybe Cheney in HI will change things hmmm.gif
Juan Speeder
QUOTE(crashfourit @ Nov 1 2004, 09:07 AM)
I predict that Pres. Bush would win but nether candidate will get the popular vote.

Oh, there is a freak chance that neither candidate will get a majority in the Electorial College. 538/2=269

Ie.
Bush would have 269 EV
Kerry would have 269 EV

Then this tie would be broken by the House, each state having one vote.
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Sure, in case of an Electoral tie, the House would select the President, but the Senate would select the Vice President.

The thing is that the selection need not be from the same ticket, so we as a nation could actually end up with a Bush/Edwards of Kerry/Cheney White House.

Of course in this election, due to an all Republican Congress, it wouldn't happen.

It does go to show how convoluted the Electoral College is though, IMHO.
Amlord
MSNBC has a nice site for mapping the election: Horserace at MSNBC.com

It lets you change states for easy mapping.

RealClearPolitics still has Bush ahead in the national head-to-head polls. I will use head to head, since the Nader vote only hurts Kerry.

Right now, Bush is up 48.4% to 46.9% in head to head polling nationwide.

Of course, by now we all know that national polls mean nothings, except in judging the mood of the nation as a whole.

The real election is a state by state affair.

The election hinges on some key states:

Ohio: the RCP average has Ohio in the Bush camp by 2.1%. link At this point, only Gallup has Kerry up (by 4). Zogby has Bush up by 6. wacko.gif Who can figure these things out. Most polls have Bush up. As a resident of Ohio (and with John Kerry here in Cleveland tonight with Bruce Springsteen) I am giving Ohio to Bush.

Florida: Again, the RCP average gives this to Bush. The latest Fox News poll has Kerry up by 5. The latest Mason-Dixon poll has Bush up by 5 (not included in the RCP average at this moment). I think Bush takes Florida by a comfortable margin. His presence during the hurricanes boosted his chances here, is my assessment.

Iowa. Again, Bush is up very marginally, and only Zogby gives it to Kerry. Other polls have Bush up 3-4%. I think Bush wins Iowa.

Michigan. Although Bush got close, I think this state goes to Kerry largely due to Curmudgeon and PE's efforts. flowers.gif

Pennsylvania. This one will be a nail biter, but I think Kerry holds on to the Keystone state.

Minnesota. Although some polls say Bush, I think Minnesota is a solid Blue state.

New Mexico. I think Kerry pulls an upset in New Mexico (which went narrowly to Bush in 2000).

Arizona. Solid Red state.

New Jersey. New Jersey could be the surprise state that we were looking for. With the new bin Laden tape, I think New Jersey is back in play. It could be a big upset. RCP disagrees with me. I will not be bold enough to call it for Bush, but I will say that NJ could be the big surprise this election year. Put it in Kerry's column for our purposes.

Colorado. Seems to be solidly Bush. This could be the one that is in the surprise column for Kerry, however. I am giving it to Bush, however.

Wisconsin. Most polls give this to Bush at this point. The wascally Zogby, however, gives it to Kerry. I am giving Wisconsin to Kerry, although I am dubious about calling this one. This state could decide the election.

My count at this point is Bush 281 Kerry 257.

Should this hold and Kerry flips Ohio, then Kerry wins, 277 261. However, Kerry would have to pull the upsets I predict in Wisconsin and New Mexico. Bush can still win even if he loses OH and he wins NM and WI (or even simply WI).

Popular vote: Bush 50 Kerry 48 Nader 2.

Surprise state: NJ and NM possibly CO.
popeye47
Popular vote

Kerry 52%

Bush 46%

Others 2%


Electoral college

Kerry 285

Bush 253


Until this week I thought the popular vote would be close but now I believe the polls haven't considered the new registered voters(which I believe the majority are Democrats) and especially the College kids who don't have land phones and the news that I have read claims that a large percentage of them have registered for the 1st time.

Also The minorities and the poor are registering and voting because of the displeasure in the unpleasant memories of what happened in some polling places in Florida during the presidental election of 2000.

I believe the pollster are off in their perdictions, which makes me happy.
doomed_planet
1. What do you predict the percentage break out will be for Bush, Kerry and other candidates of the popular vote?

I'm totally shooting in the dark here, but just for the fun of it....

Kerry 50%
Bush 48%
Other 2%

2. What's your prediction for them in the Electoral Vote? Feel free to list specific states if you'd like.

Kerry 268
Bush 270



3. Which state do you predict will provide the biggest surprise?

Iowa will go to Kerry. (I bet Redliner will be happy to hear that tongue.gif )


In my house, I've got one child who says he's voting for Kerry mrsparkle.gif
and the the other (the rebellious one) says he's voting for Bush laugh.gif


* Please note that my predictions are based on absolutely nothing. cool.gif
StephenBostonMA
A little late, but the polls have not yet opened. My guess:

Popular vote:
Kerry: 50.8 %
Bush: 48.2 %
Nader: 1 %

Electoral vote:
Kerry: 279
Bush: 259

Battleground States:
Kerry: Hawaii, Iowa, Minnesota, New Hampshire, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin

Bush: Florida, Nevada, New Mexico


Ultimately, I think that those who want Bush defeated are more energized than those who want him to stay.
Cube Jockey
Take this with a Huge grain of salt, but these are the first exit poll numbers I have seen as of 2pm EDT from NEP courtesy of MyDD. Keep in mind these don't count absentee ballots or early voters. This is just the first quarter, anything could happen. No cause for celebration by either side yet.

-------AZ CO LA PA OH FL MI NM MN WI IA NH
Kerry 45 48 42 60 52 51 51 50 58 52 49 57
Bush 55 51 57 40 48 48 47 48 40 43 49 41

Edited to change VNS to NEP smile.gif
yehoshua
QUOTE(Cube Jockey @ Nov 2 2004, 11:49 AM)
Take this with a Huge grain of salt, but these are the first exit poll numbers I have seen as of 2pm EDT from VNS courtesy of MyDD.  Keep in mind these don't count absentee ballots or early voters.


Taking the state projections you get the following EC:
KERRY: 304
BUSH: 234 (given IA +7)
Amlord
QUOTE(Cube Jockey @ Nov 2 2004, 03:49 PM)
Take this with a Huge grain of salt, but these are the first exit poll numbers I have seen as of 2pm EDT from VNS courtesy of MyDD.  Keep in mind these don't count absentee ballots or early voters.  This is just the first quarter, anything could happen.  No cause for celebration by either side yet.

-------AZ  CO  LA  PA  OH  FL  MI  NM  MN  WI  IA  NH
Kerry  45   48   42  60  52  51  51  50   58   52  49  57
Bush  55   51   57  40  48  48  47  48   40   43  49  41
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Exit Polls: What You Should Know

QUOTE
I have always been a fan of exit polls. Despite the occasional controversies, exit polls remain among the most sophisticated and reliable political surveys available. They will offer an unparalleled look at today's voters in a way that would be impossible without quality survey data. Having said that, they are still just random sample surveys, possessing the usual limitations plus some that are unique to exit polling (I also remain dubious about weighting telephone surveys to match them, but that is another story for another day).



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So if this poll is so sophisticated, why can't we rely on the leaked mid-day “numbers” that will soon spread like wildfire across the web?

1) It is still just a survey – Even when complete, an exit poll still has the same random variation as any other survey. NEP says typical state exit polls will have a sampling error when complete of +/- 4% at a 95% confidence level, and +/- 3% for the national exit poll. Even if comparable to the final numbers – which they are decidedly not – the mid-day leaked numbers would have much greater error, perhaps +/- 7% or more.
2) The mid-day numbers do not reflect weighting by actual turnout – the end-of-day exit poll used to assist the networks in determining winners will be weighted by the actual turnout of voters at each selected precinct. The weighting will then be continuously updated to reflect turnout at comparable precincts. In the past, mid-day numbers have reflected a weighting based on past turnout, so the leaked mid-day numbers may tell us nothing about the impact of new registrants or the unique level of turnout this time.

One point needs emphasis here: even in past elections, networks never called an election based on raw exit poll numbers alone. They were first weighted by a tally of the full day's turnout at each sampled precinct. This end-of-day data is (obviously) not available at 12 noon.

3) Voting patterns may be different early in the day - People who work full time jobs typically vote more heavily before or after work. Even a perfect mid-day exit poll – and there is no such animal – may not be any better at picking a winner than the half-time scores in any given football game on Sunday. Also, despite what you may have heard on the West Wing, I know of no serious study showing a consistent Democratic or Republican tilt to the morning or evening hours (if anyone does, please email me).

4) Early or absentee voting - As of last night, the ABC News survey estimated that 15% of all registered voters nationally had already cast absentee or early ballots. Obviously, these voters will not be available to interviewers standing outside polling places. To incorporate early voting, the National Election Pool is doing telephone interviewing in 13 states to sample the votes of those who voted early. Will these early votes be included in the mid-day leaked numbers? Who knows? I wouldn't count on it. (Good question, Andrew).

5) They could be fictional - Both sides have huge armies of field workers sweating it out in the streets right now. Field workers have been known to find creative ways to boost the morale of their own troops or demoralize the other side. Might someone start a rumor by sending made up numbers to a blog? Ya think? After all, the guy most web surfers turn to for leaked exits likes to say that the information he provides is only 80% accurate. What are the chances he could be, excuse the technical term, making stuff up?

6) The people who do exit polls would rather you ignored them - OK, admittedly, that is a pretty wimpy reason, but they have a point. Exit polls provide a valuable resource for all of us. The will help us better understand who the voters are, why they vote the way they do and what the answers are to some of the debates that have raged for months that will not be resolved by vote returns alone. When someone leaks or broadcasts results of an exit poll (or telegraphs it by winking the way certain news networks tend to do about about 4 or 5 o'clock), calls are made to ban exit pollsters from polling places. That would be a very bad thing.



Huge grain of salt.
Cube Jockey
Grain of salt, yeah, yeah...

Most recent numbers from slate if anyone else is interested in torturing themselves like I am. These are the 4 pm EDT numbers.

------NV CO NC PA OH FL MI NM WI
Kerry 48 46 49 54 50 50 51 50 51
Bush 50 53 51 45 49 49 47 48 46

Races appear to be getting closer (as expected) in some states.
redliner1989
It is an amazing race! the latest exit polls are as frustrating as the polls leading up to today wacko.gif

Last I heard was Thune leading Dascle by 4 in South Dakota, but S.D. is like 2 seperate States (they call it West River/East River), without knowing exactly where they come from it's hard to know what the numbers mean.

EDITED TO ADD:

Great reporting CJ
yehoshua
QUOTE(Cube Jockey @ Nov 2 2004, 01:48 PM)
Races appear to be getting closer (as expected) in some states.


Based upon these exit polls, projected EC:
Bush 231
Kerry 307
Cube Jockey
Also from Florida exit polling, something to file under the "interesting" category in your memory for later analysis:

Hispanics

------2000 2004

Bush 65--- 46
Gore 35
Kerry ----- 53

Cuban-Americans

------2000 2004

Bush 82--- 68
Gore 17
Kerry ----- 32
English Horn
For what it worth, here's the Zogby's election prediction:

Kerry - 311 electoral votes
Bush - 213 electoral votes

Nevada, Colorado - too close to call...

Could Zogby be 41 electoral votes off?
Cube Jockey
Last batch of exit polls for everyone crawling the walls, watching the clock, biting their nails and considering taking up smoking like I am. Big grain of Na-Cl of course. 6PM EDT Exit Polls from Daily KOS:

Kerry Bush

PA 53 46
FL 51 49
NC 48 52
OH 51 49
MO 46 54
AR 47 53
MI 51 47
NM 50 49
LA 43 56
CO 48 51
AZ 45 55
MN 54 44
WI 52 47
IA 49 49
redliner1989
Alfred Hitchcock couldn't have written a better script whistling.gif
carlitoswhey
QUOTE(English Horn @ Nov 2 2004, 05:56 PM)
Could Zogby be 41 electoral votes off?
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YES.

QUOTE(Cube Jockey @ Nov 2 2004, 06:41 PM)
Last batch of exit polls for everyone crawling the walls, watching the clock, biting their nails and considering taking up smoking like I am.  Big grain of Na-Cl of course.  6PM EDT Exit Polls from Daily KOS:

  Kerry Bush

PA 53   46
FL 51   49
NC 48   52
OH 51   49
MO 46   54
AR 47   53
MI 51   47
NM 50   49
LA 43   56
CO 48   51
AZ 45   55
MN 54   44
WI 52   47
IA 49   49
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Cube - thanks for posting all of these updates thumbsup.gif



Huge grain of salt indeed, looking at 2000 exit poll data...as noted by DRUDGE, where some states were 10 points off:
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Early 2000 exit polls showed Gore +3 in Florida; showed Gore-Bush even in CO [Bush won by 9], 2000 exits showed Gore +4 in AZ [Bush won by 6


Maybe more Republicans vote early/absentee, or even late evening?

So, while it is tough to call...that won't stop me from making a fool of myself on AD. Carlitoswhey drinking the Bush red kool aid, and updating my prediction based on the skewed exit polls.
Bush takes OH, FL, IA, and maybe PA. CO and AR will not even be close. But I still can't do the electoral math.
Sleeper
There has been alot of talk about the exit polls from earlier on Tuesday. People saying how wrong they were or that there may have been media bias in reporting Kerry with a strong showing, then losing in the election.

I think what people were not considering is that these exit polls were taking from people voting early in the day(housewives, retired people, unemployed), generally this segment would vote democratic. Those to vote later in the day were from the working segment of the population(as a whole).

Just my opinion as to why the exit polls were so far off.

Edit to add: Oh and Zogby's bias really came through this election cycle.
cwadley
QUOTE(cwadley @ Oct 29 2004, 08:01 PM)
QUOTE(Cube Jockey @ Oct 29 2004, 01:26 PM)
1. What do you predict the percentage break out will be for Bush, Kerry and other candidates of the popular vote?

Bush 52%, Kerry 47%, Other 1%

QUOTE(Cube Jockey @ Oct 29 2004, 01:26 PM)
2. What's your prediction for them in the Electoral Vote?  Feel free to list specific states if you'd like.

Bush 286, Kerry 252. Swing states: Bush takes Florida (27), Iowa (7), Minnesota (10), and Wisconsin (10). Kerry takes New Hampshire (4), Ohio (20), and Pennsylvania (21).
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Boy. Flip Wisconsin/Minnesota for Ohio and my prediction looks pretty darn accurate so far (pending results in Iowa and New Mexico). mrsparkle.gif
Amlord
QUOTE(Amlord @ Nov 1 2004, 10:33 PM)
MSNBC has a nice site for mapping the election: Horserace at MSNBC.com

It lets you change states for easy mapping.

RealClearPolitics still has Bush ahead in the national head-to-head polls.  I will use head to head, since the Nader vote only hurts Kerry.

Right now, Bush is up 48.4% to 46.9% in head to head polling nationwide.

Of course, by now we all know that national polls mean nothings, except in judging the mood of the nation as a whole.

The real election is a state by state affair.

The election hinges on some key states:

Ohio: the RCP average has Ohio in the Bush camp by 2.1%. link  At this point, only Gallup has Kerry up (by 4).  Zogby has Bush up by 6.  wacko.gif  Who can figure these things out.  Most polls have Bush up.  As a resident of Ohio (and with John Kerry here in Cleveland tonight with Bruce Springsteen) I am giving Ohio to Bush.

Florida: Again, the RCP average gives this to Bush.  The latest Fox News poll has Kerry up by 5.  The latest Mason-Dixon poll has Bush up by 5 (not included in the RCP average at this moment).  I think Bush takes Florida by a comfortable margin.  His presence during the hurricanes boosted his chances here, is my assessment.

Iowa.  Again, Bush is up very marginally, and only Zogby gives it to Kerry.  Other polls have Bush up 3-4%.  I think Bush wins Iowa.

Michigan. Although Bush got close, I think this state goes to Kerry largely due to Curmudgeon and PE's efforts.  flowers.gif

Pennsylvania.  This one will be a nail biter, but I think Kerry holds on to the Keystone state.

Minnesota.  Although some polls say Bush, I think Minnesota is a solid Blue state.

New Mexico.  I think Kerry pulls an upset in New Mexico (which went narrowly to Bush in 2000).

Arizona.  Solid Red state.

New Jersey.  New Jersey could be the surprise state that we were looking for.  With the new bin Laden tape, I think New Jersey is back in play.  It could be a big upset.  RCP disagrees with me.  I will not be bold enough to call it for Bush, but I will say that NJ could be the big surprise this election year.  Put it in Kerry's column for our purposes.

Colorado.  Seems to be solidly Bush.  This could be the one that is in the surprise column for Kerry, however.  I am giving it to Bush, however.

Wisconsin.  Most polls give this to Bush at this point.  The wascally Zogby, however, gives it to Kerry.  I am giving Wisconsin to Kerry, although I am dubious about calling this one.  This state could decide the election.

My count at this point is Bush 281 Kerry 257.

Should this hold and Kerry flips Ohio, then Kerry wins, 277 261.  However, Kerry would have to pull the upsets I predict in Wisconsin and New Mexico.  Bush can still win even if he loses OH and he wins NM and WI (or even simply WI).

Popular vote: Bush 50 Kerry 48 Nader 2.

Surprise state: NJ and NM possibly CO.
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If Iowa goes Bush and New Mexico goes Kerry, I am dead on!!
yehoshua
WINNERS


Question 1:
No one guest exactly so no wins.

CORRECT ANSWER: B-51% K-48%

Question 2:
yehoshua
cwadley
Hugo

CORRECT ANSWER: B-258 K-252

Question 2:
kalabus
carlitoswhey

CORRECT ANSWER: each guessed 13 out of 17 swing states.

Question 2:
yehoshua
Hobbes

CORRECT ANSWER: each guessed 2 out of 17 swing states to be surprise.

Overall Winner:
yehoshua

Got 2 out of 5 answers correct.

ANY QUESTIONS: I have an excel sheet with the calculations on them.
Amlord
QUOTE(yehoshua @ Oct 29 2004, 04:53 PM)

BUSH: 50%
KERRY: 48%
NADER: 1%
OTHER: 1%


[*] What's your prediction for them in the Electoral Vote?  Feel free to list specific states if you'd like.


BUSH: 286
KERRY: 252

I have BUSH WI (I know the stretch), MN, and FL.  I gave Kerry OH, PA, MI, and NH.  (Best to use this: PBS Map)


Joshua, although your numbers are correct in electoral votes, the states are completely wrong. Were I a judge, I would not give the prize to you. flowers.gif
yehoshua
QUOTE(amlord)
Joshua, although your numbers are correct in electoral votes, the states are completely wrong.  Were I a judge, I would not give the prize to you.  flowers.gif
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You can have the calculated EXCEL sheet used to determine the winner.
redliner1989
The final vote totals show Bush won 52% to 47% for Kerry and 1% to others.

Cwadly nailed it! thumbsup.gif
yehoshua
WINNERS UPDATE
the offical numbers are in


Question 1:
cawdley
cube jockey

CORRECT ANSWER: B-52% K-47%

Question 2:
yehoshua
cwadley
Hugo

CORRECT ANSWER: B-258 K-252

Question 2:
kalabus
carlitoswhey

CORRECT ANSWER: each guessed 13 out of 17 swing states.

Question 2:
yehoshua
Hobbes

CORRECT ANSWER: each guessed 2 out of 17 swing states to be surprise.

Overall Winner:
tie yehoshua and cwadley

Got 2 out of 5 answers correct.

ANY QUESTIONS: I have an excel sheet with the calculations on them.
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Amlord
I don't need no stinkin' spread shee to declare myself the winner!! laugh.gif

The raw numbers mean nothing, the STATES are what matter.

I hit 49/50 (damn New Mexicans).
yehoshua
QUOTE(Amlord @ Nov 5 2004, 01:50 PM)
The raw numbers mean nothing, the STATES are what matter.

I hit 49/50 (damn New Mexicans).
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You didn't declare the states, therefore it was unclear which states you choose and which you didn't. You declared 10 states, one of which you lost. You hit 9/10. Which would be good, but there was a total of 17 swing states. So 9/17, that puts you in 3rd place in the states that matter. If we are going on states, both kalabus and carlitoswhey beat you.

SO YOU LOSE! thumbsup.gif
redliner1989
AMLORD has been disenfranchised! He wants a RECOUNT and as an AMERICAN us.gif then I say. Let the recount begin!!!!!

Beware Joshua, now that the election is over, there are a whole lot of Attorneys that are looking for business!!!!!
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