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Keep in mind that although OBL did ask Saddam for cooperation Saddam not only refused but he did so by refusing to reply. Does that sound like a coalition to you?
I am glad you brought this to mind because it brings to mind another thing that Bush did for OBL that i am sure is appreciated. He took Saddam, who was a secular leader and controlled the most advanced (western standards) Middle Eastern nation, out.
Do yu remember when OBL called Saddam an infedel (same thing he calls us) and asked the Iraqi people to fight to rid Iraq of the Americans and Saddam?
If you don't believe any of this that is ok because even the 9/11 commission says that there was no cooperation between Saddam and OBL.
I am glad you brought this to mind because it brings to mind another thing that Bush did for OBL that i am sure is appreciated. He took Saddam, who was a secular leader and controlled the most advanced (western standards) Middle Eastern nation, out.
Do yu remember when OBL called Saddam an infedel (same thing he calls us) and asked the Iraqi people to fight to rid Iraq of the Americans and Saddam?
If you don't believe any of this that is ok because even the 9/11 commission says that there was no cooperation between Saddam and OBL.
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If you don't believe any of this that is ok because even the 9/11 commission says that there was no cooperation between Saddam and OBL.
First of all that is false. Again not a topic for this thread. I will begin another one.
QUOTE(Vampiel @ Oct 31 2004, 09:14 PM)
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If you don't believe any of this that is ok because even the 9/11 commission says that there was no cooperation between Saddam and OBL.
First of all that is false. Again not a topic for this thread. I will begin another one.
This thread is about OBL so I ould think that what I said is on topic. Plus, it is true and furthermore the 9/11 commission confirmed that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.
I think this is fairly interesting, if true. According to the Middle East Media Research Center, Bin Laden actually made a threat against "each U.S. state," designed to influence the outcome of Tuesday's election.
As reported by WorldNetDaily,
As reported by WorldNetDaily,
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The U.S. media has mistranslated the words "ay wilaya" (which means "each U.S. state") to mean a "country" or "nation" other than the U.S., says MEMRI, while in reality bin Laden's threat was directed specifically at each individual U.S. state. * * *
Translated correctly, bin Laden's speech suggests some knowledge of the U.S. electoral college system. In fact, notes MEMRI, in one section of his speech where he harshly criticizes President Bush, bin Laden states: "Any U.S. state that does not toy with our security automatically guarantees its own security."
The Islamist website Al-Qal'a explained what this sentence meant: "This message was a warning to every U.S. state separately. When he [bin Laden] said, 'Every state will be determining its own security, and will be responsible for its choice,' it means that any U.S. state that will choose to vote for the white thug Bush as president has chosen to fight us, and we will consider it our enemy, and any state that will vote against Bush has chosen to make peace with us, and we will not characterize it as an enemy. By this characterization, Sheikh Osama wants to drive a wedge in the American body, to weaken it, and he wants to divide the American people itself between enemies of Islam and the Muslims, and those who fight for us, so that he doesn't treat all American people as if they're the same. This letter will have great implications inside the American society, part of which are connected to the American elections, and part of which are connected to what will come after the elections."
Translated correctly, bin Laden's speech suggests some knowledge of the U.S. electoral college system. In fact, notes MEMRI, in one section of his speech where he harshly criticizes President Bush, bin Laden states: "Any U.S. state that does not toy with our security automatically guarantees its own security."
The Islamist website Al-Qal'a explained what this sentence meant: "This message was a warning to every U.S. state separately. When he [bin Laden] said, 'Every state will be determining its own security, and will be responsible for its choice,' it means that any U.S. state that will choose to vote for the white thug Bush as president has chosen to fight us, and we will consider it our enemy, and any state that will vote against Bush has chosen to make peace with us, and we will not characterize it as an enemy. By this characterization, Sheikh Osama wants to drive a wedge in the American body, to weaken it, and he wants to divide the American people itself between enemies of Islam and the Muslims, and those who fight for us, so that he doesn't treat all American people as if they're the same. This letter will have great implications inside the American society, part of which are connected to the American elections, and part of which are connected to what will come after the elections."
As reported the U.K.'s Telegraph online newspaper, based on the latest Newsweek poll,
Source: Bush takes a six-point lead after new bin Laden tape.
See also: Breaking to Bush?
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President Bush has opened a six-point lead over John Kerry in the first opinion poll to include sampling taken after the new Osama bin Laden videotape was broadcast on Friday night.
Source: Bush takes a six-point lead after new bin Laden tape.
See also: Breaking to Bush?
QUOTE(Riker3173 @ Oct 31 2004, 10:18 PM)
QUOTE(Vampiel @ Oct 31 2004, 09:14 PM)
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If you don't believe any of this that is ok because even the 9/11 commission says that there was no cooperation between Saddam and OBL.
First of all that is false. Again not a topic for this thread. I will begin another one.
This thread is about OBL so I ould think that what I said is on topic. Plus, it is true and furthermore the 9/11 commission confirmed that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.
OK.
Tell me on what page give me the exact quote where it states :
no cooperation between Saddam and OBL
Here is the text. I have a feeling you did not read it.
Interesting cwadley about the state references. Doesnt matter we are all united in killing that bastard. Though that only further drive's home that he doesnt want Bush to win. Not that it will matter for him.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
So those exact words were not used but on page 523 here is what it does say: Bin laden was upset with Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein for committing atrocities against Iraqi Muslims, and the Bin Laden would have never approved of such a meeting.
Sound like cooperation to you?
Also, on page 559 Richard Clarke said that he would look for connections but added that in the past they had found none. To this day they have found none.
Perhaps you should show us where it says that that Saddam and Bin Laden were "buddies". No, it does not have to be in exact words.
Sound like cooperation to you?
Also, on page 559 Richard Clarke said that he would look for connections but added that in the past they had found none. To this day they have found none.
Perhaps you should show us where it says that that Saddam and Bin Laden were "buddies". No, it does not have to be in exact words.
Presto chango! This thread is closed. I warned you guys. Riker3173 and Cwadley, you guys are new, but that is no excuse. I made it quite clear in my last note that you had to at least try to address the specific question established at the beginning of the thread. You failed to do that. Vampiel, you should know better as well. I would suggest all three of you take a gander at the Survival Guide and Rules before you take another thread off-topic, and we are forced to close it.
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