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Lord Zeved
I understand that NO religion is supposed to be taught in school due to the first ammendment; so plz tell me why islam can be taught in school. blink.gif

In class, teachers are trying to teach about the ''great prophet mohommed'', but they arent supposed to mention God. They talk about Allah, but when i bring up God, they say they cant talk about religion. I'm like: Huh? blink.gif blink.gif blink.gif

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otseng
In what context is Islam being taught in schools?

Personally, I think it should be OK to teach any religion in school (even public schools), as long as they don't force people to take on a particular religion. Why should students have to be ignorant about religions?
RoidRage
Because liberals have finally found a religion they can agree on, a religion that seeks the same thing they want. . . the destruction of America.
Cyan
QUOTE(otseng @ Jan 6 2003, 12:55 PM)
In what context is Islam being taught in schools?

Personally, I think it should be OK to teach any religion in school (even public schools), as long as they don't force people to take on a particular religion.  Why should students have to be ignorant about religions?

I agree wholeheartedly. There is a huge difference between teaching religion as it relates to history and culture and teaching religion with the intent of conversion. There are some historical concepts that you just can't "get" without understanding religion.
Jaime
QUOTE(RoidRage @ Jan 6 2003, 03:15 PM)
Because liberals have finally found a religion they can agree on, a religion that seeks the same thing they want. . . the destruction of America.

RoidRage - I am warning you to avoid snide, inciteful comments like that above. Try some examples or back up what you're saying. Otherwise it merely appears you are trying to *** NOTICE: THIS WORD IS AGAINST THE RULES. FAILURE TO REMOVE IT WILL RESULT IN A STRIKE. *** off liberals for no other reason than to get them mad. mad.gif
RoidRage
heh, this is the free speech correct? Anyways, there seems to be a double standard among religions. It seems academia is infactuated with Islam and cannot get enough of it and they seems to despise Christianity. Just turn on your news stations and story after story shows how some Univeristies (UNC I think) are making there incoming freshman read the kuran.
Jaime
QUOTE(RoidRage @ Jan 6 2003, 03:23 PM)
heh, this is the free speech correct?

Don't give me that crap. I love it when people use that excuse to be inciteful. Read the Rules and Guidelines to learn what is acceptable here.
Cyan
QUOTE(RoidRage @ Jan 6 2003, 01:23 PM)
heh, this is the free speech correct?  Anyways, there seems to be a double standard among religions.  It seems academia is infactuated with Islam and cannot get enough of it and they seems to despise Christianity.  Just turn on your news stations and story after story shows how some Univeristies (UNC I think) are making there incoming freshman read the kuran.

The University of North Carolina wasn't using the Koran as an indoctrination tool. They were using it to give their students a broader understanding of Islam, which is extremely relevant today, considering the current war in Afghanistan and a potential war in Iraq. It has nothing to do with a hatred for Christianity.
RoidRage
but making them? I know if I lived in NC I wouldn't want my tax dollars going towards that.
Cyan
Yes, making them. Education should be well rounded, especially at the college level. No one is saying that you have to agree with the teachings of the Koran, but by knowing what those teachings are, you have a better chance of understanding the reasons why Muslims do the things they do. Dont you think that it's important to have that knowledge, especially if we are fighting a war and eventually helping to set up a new government in nations that are primarily Muslim? Don't you think that having an opinion on something regards some form of knowledge about it?

Additionally, if people want an education that is solely based around Christianity, they should go to a private college. There are A LOT of Christian Universities in this country.
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RoidRage
"Dont you think that it's important to have that knowledge, especially if we are fighting a war and eventually helping to set up a new government in nations that are primarily Muslim? Don't you think that having an opinion on something regards some form of knowledge about it?"

Yes. But making is another thing. And when tax dollars are concerned is another thing. Most people in college research various topics anyway. If you feel you need to know about Islam then that is your independant thought and you should act on it independantly.

What about the students that don't want to read the Kuran?

What about the tax payer in NC that don't want there money being spent at a university that makes there students do such things?

Private schools are quite a bit more expensive, several thousand dollars more expensive.
Cyan
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What about the students that don't want to read the Kuran?


What about students that don't want to take English or learn algebra? Students are not necessarily qualified to choose their own curriculum.

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What about the tax payer in NC that don't want there money being spent at a university that makes there students do such things?


Too bad, so sad. Not every tax payer is going to be pleased with every decision regarding the way that the money is spent. The majority of the money, as far as I know, that sustains the universities comes out of the students' pockets anyhow. If you look at that particular case, the students felt that they benefited from reading the Koran.

The reality is that most of the time cases like this involve highly religious individuals of another faith who fear that their children are being indoctrinated into another religion that they feel is wrong. People need to realize that knowing about something, doesn't mean that you necessarily have to believe in it.
Wertz
QUOTE(Lord Zeved @ Jan 6 2003, 02:50 PM)
I understand that NO religion is supposed to be taught in school due to the first ammendment...

No religious instruction is to be taught in public schools - and no religion is to be promoted. I see nothing wrong with the study of religion - and, indeed, believe it should be encouraged. In another thread on this topic, I posted the following:

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Personally, I would have no problem with a comparative religion class being taught. I think it would be a good idea for American students to know more about Islam and Buddhism and Judaism and Shinto and Hinduism - as well as Christianity, especially if free from the dogma of any particular denomination. But I think the potential danger would be in the inherent prejudice of the teachers and the possibility of various religions and sects demanding equal time with major world religions. Would most teachers not color some religions as "less serious" or even blasphemous (however unconsciously)? Would we have to include Wicca and Animism and Cargo Cults and Japanese Golf Religion? And Atheism? So, unless some system could be devised which would be both equitable, comprehensive, and totally free of bias, it should probably be avoided in the public school curriculum.

I see no problem whatsoever in studying Islam (or any other religion) at the university level, if it is in the context of the course study - in fact, I would think for many history and political science classes, it would be prerequisite. By the same token, I feel that Christianity and Judaism should also be studied - especially since so many people in this country have such cockamamie notions about the religion they claim to practice.
Rancid Uncle
It's true that every religion should get a fare shake. That being said most people are Christian or know a lot about it. You should be upset they aren't teaching the tribal religions of New Ginea! Much fewer people understand Islam. Understanding Islam is now pivotal to understanding the place of the U.S. in the world.
Eva
I think it can be taught as it relates to history. Mohammad was a real person. Jesus was a real person. They are both part of history and both should be given equal class time.
Brunie
QUOTE(cyan @ Jan 6 2003, 09:04 PM)

People need to realize that knowing about something, doesn't mean that you necessarily have to believe in it.



Absolutely - I believe it was aristotle that said
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"
unabomber
ignorance about islam has led to peaceful muslims in america getting attacked simply cause they are muslim. I think that we should teach people about islam, otherwise people would think all muslims are evil people that want the downfall of america (only fundamentalists do, and they only make up about 10% of all muslims, and most live outside of america) ignorance leads to hatred, and usually it is blind hatred. we should be teaching about islam because of the way the media portrays muslims. the media doesn't portray christians in the same light as muslims, so you don't need something to counter te teachings off the idiot box.
Eva
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People need to realize that knowing about something, doesn't mean that you necessarily have to believe in it.


I couldn't agree more with the above statement.

When I hear people opposed to accurately exposing children to the education of history, it all reminds me of book burning days.

Access to information and the right to acquire the knowledge is our fundamental rights.

I'm a STRONG supporter of separation of church and state AND I approve of education of history and understanding different religions. If all major religions are accurately presented (without bias) in a factual way, only good can come from it.

The only problem is the other cultures aren't teaching awareness. We have no control over the fact that they completely don't understand our culture or religions accurately.

I wonder how many people opposed to this type of education in American also accuse other cultures of promoting inaccurate propaganda about our country and the religions in our country that aren't Muslim. Double standard? I think so.

We are in this mess because of lack of accurate knowledge throughout the world! I can't understand why anyone would want to perpetuate it!
ConservPat
If a variety of religions are taught as an elective it would be fine, you choose whether to take it, and there is more than one religion, whats wrong with that? smile.gif

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