This election is still painful for me to talk about. I feel like the tsunami that hit was the second one, our election was the first. Where is Kerry, where is Edwards (a trial lawyer!) where are the lawsuits? I can't believe we went into this election without receipts at all electronic voting sites!

Why is this election painful for you to talk about? It was conducted in a free, open, and legal manner. That's how our system works. Where is Kerry? He conceded. Do you think he would have if he thought the GOP pulled some funny business? Edwards? Same thing. But, I suppose he'll be back to his old ambulance chasing career driving our health care costs up through junk science lawsuits and he'll forget about the election in short order.

Even Michael Moore admitted that Kerry lost. That should say something.

The leads in recount efforts are coming from the Green Party and Libertarian Party presidential candidates, not the Democratic (how fast can we roll over) party. I wrote a piece about their efforts in my blog.

And I will state there is conspiracy here. It's a lot more subtle than any of the other theories I've seen on this thread though. The conspiracy is to create enough problems and inconsistancies that it will give the voting public the perception that their vote won't count. Corrupt governments want to keep the people from voting, and this is far more effective than trying to physically block someone from going to the polls.

This discouragement is a psychological tactic, much like the tactic of using fear to convince half our population to give up our civil liberties

Nearly 11 milliion more American voted in 2004 compared to 2000.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0764586.html

How is this representative of blocking people from going to the polls?

The data seems to indicate that people were highly motivated to vote, particularly those who favored the re-election of President Bush.

You mentioned a conspiracy but have presented absolutely no backing evidence. What specifically are you referring to?

I think that most people believed their votes counted, especially in places like Washington and Ohio.

It would seem the issue is far from dead. This story appeared on 1/3/05:

True to form, Bush would like to interfere with any legal challenge. (In my opinion, he’s probably more than a little afraid of what the American people would do if they discovered just how crooked he really is.)

I’m sure this is “to be continued” (but under-reported, of course)

A scary side note…in a story about Jeb’s visit to the tsunami damaged regions, one media source referred to him as a “possible presidential candidate in 2008”. Oh, gawd, be afraid, be very afraid!!! First it was Papa Bush, then Baby Bush and now Goober Bush.

I thought this election turnout was one of the largest ever. Greater percentages of the youth vote turned out and so did self-identified "evangelicals" according to different sources/polls I heard.

I think that to the contrary people feel as if their vote counts more than they ever have. First, we had the 2000 election hanging on only a few "chads" in Florida. And this election seems to have turned on a fairly small number in Ohio. If anything, people know that their vote matters.

I can't ever recall such a movement to get the vote out as there was this election.

Apparently ONE SENATORis going to stand up on Thursday,Jan 6 and cause the Senate and the House to have a 2 hour debate on the election fraud and problems in Ohio during the 2004 presidental election

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=..._vote&printer=1



There have been numerous individuals on AD that have called people questioning the honesty of the election, NUTS , SORE LOSER,ETC.

There have been way too many irregularities in the state of Ohio. And each time the Secretary of State in Ohio is asked about them, there is the silent treatment. Kind of reminds me of Katherine Harris of Florida in 2000.

Barbara Boxer in an act of political suicided has decided to end her last six year as a California State Senator as ineffective.

First off she makes this stance which will cause the people of Ohio to have their votes removed, which will make the election decided by the House of Representatives. hmm I wonder who they will vote for.

Second she now will lose her committee positions as she he pushed and taunted by the Republican controlled house. Did she really think she was going to be able to stick around as head of her committees after pulling off this stunt?

In the end, her decision has done nothing effective and she has lost her grip to fight for the beliefs of California. My new hero, the Honorable Barbara Boxer.

Challenging the vote in Ohio or the vote in Florida is one state on each election. If there is a real concern over voter irregularities, then ALL of the states need to be audited - not just the one where the votes pushed a candidate to victory.

If this challenge has the real objective of making sure every vote counts, then it needs to be approached on a national level. As it is, this ends up looking like sour grapes grandstanding.

Kerry fought a hard battle and if there was any chance at all, he would be fighting right now. The election results are valid - the challenge isn't valid.

If there is any real concern?? Come back to reality please. That disrespetful and ignorant of you to suggest that when people believe there is a problem over voter irregularities its invalid. Are saying all those people are lying??

Everytime somebody brings up something about voter irregularities, its the usually
ignorant conservative response:

" its just liberals (everyone is a liberal if they challenge the vote)"
" Bush won get over it"
as you pointed out "if there is a REAL concern"

Ask the Republicans in the state of Washington if making sure every vote counts is
VERY important to our democracry. My point is if you disagree with these people fine, but please tell yourself and your party to stop with the ignorant and disrespectful statements of our FELLOW AMERICAN CITIZENS (regardless of party affiliation).

I'm not a Repub or Democrat but if a group of people said their was a problem, at least support the government in investigating the claim. Thats the least you can do. If they are wrong, they are wrong. Display the patriotism and the honor of being an American citizen in respecting everybody's right to vote.

Oh please, Cgorham, get off the high horse already....

This whole business was nothing more that a stunt by the Democrats in Congress to keep their wacko fringe groups off their backs and I think you know that. Boxer signed the paper because Boxer was just re-elected in a state filled with fruitcakes and they like to vote for one of their own. She doesn't have a political price to pay for it. I notice though that NO ONE other senator voted to sustain the challenge. Not even St. Hillary the Beekeeper. John Kerry wasn't even there! (So, what's new?) This was nothing but political grandstanding by the democrats and they did it because that's all they can do anymore.

You would think that the person most directly impacted by any irregularities would be active in the challenge, if such a thing were obvious (or even probable) . That would be John Kerry.

The fact that John Kerry has conceded lends credence to the notion that the hue and cry over irregularities is overblown. John Kerry is the man most impacted by the results of this election. His silence on this issue says something.

Wow, I'm impressed over the fact you can slam me and call me ignorant and it's OK. Pretty wild accusations fabricated out of air - but you did use all the bonus phrases and catch words.

The USA is a Republic - it's not a democracy.

I never denied voting irregularities - what should be plain is that there is no real desire to correct the irregularities. In the next election, if it was California being the state to tip one way or the other, then the losers will be saying it's just California. Like they did in Florida. Like they did in Ohio. If one is irregular, then we need to audit ALL of the states so every vote does count. How is that being unpatriotic?

I question the motives of a bunch of sore losers who want to make some final stand and statement that has nothing to do with solving the problem - and I think the last time I looked, questioning how government is run isn't against the law. Or maybe I'm missing something - is there some secret rule on this forum where conservatives aren't allowed to debate or bring up a point? Just checking....