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Vampiel
I hate to double post this but im interested in the responces from everyone as well as only the party I affiliate myself with.

Ive been thinking about this alot lately because it was brought to my attention that millions of unskilled laborer's coming into the country drive wage's down. While im not against mass immigration for those who seek the legal path, it is a good point.

What is your opinion on allowing whomever would like to come into the country to be allowed to? If so what fit's the criteria for their entry if any?
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Ultimatejoe
You need to do some research here Vampiel as there aren't "millions of unskilled laborer's" entering the country. According to the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization service only 703,542 entered the country in 2003. I don't know how many people are unskilled labourers out of that group, but if you go to THIS page instead of just relying on Drudge, you may find out.
nileriver
Well, in some aspect to me, if you have a certain ecosystem, it will only be able to house so much life in various forms, the rest just does not make it really. So in terms of human ecosystems, if you have a city that only has x amount of jobs that does not meet the number of people needing work to survive, then you are going to have migration i guess, or in terms of territory, immigration. America was founded by immigrants that committed genocide, so i think its kind of two-faced to say that immigration is something bad now, but it does have its problems. Some are the ability of the immigrants to survive in the American system, or speak the main language in America. Various social issues come to light, and in a down economy, the hunt for jobs that occurs probably does not help in such a situation either. these people want better lives, and if a job at a burger joint across the border means that, you are going to have people that are going to come for that, so that point to me is simple i guess. I dont think immigration is really the problem so to speak, as its just a pointer to larger issues, like the growing human population, and the growing amount of resources this takes up, and then the damage this inflicts on the environment to aiding in why wars occur, social issues. Again to me, immigration is just a pointer to larger issues humanity has placed itself in.
moif
What is your opinion on allowing whomever would like to come into the country to be allowed to? If so what fit's the criteria for their entry if any?

I am against any form of mass immigration into my country because Denmark is simply too small to accomidate large numbers of people who are not able or prepared to integrate into Danish society. During the eighties and nineties the Danish governments allowed hundreds of thousands of people to enter Denmark with scant regard to such issues as housing, integration and jobs, and the upshot is we now have the first ghetto's in recorded Danish history.

Granted our ghetto's are not exactly slums, but they a problem. They stop people from integrating into the society that pays for them by allowing them to wallow in the ethnic environment of the ghetto and to perpetuate the problem by marrying people from the old country and importing their families with out ever contributing anything in return for the trouble their presence causes.
Denmark has seen influx's of immigrants in the past, but there has never been anything like the burden of immigration we have seen in the last twenty five years.

It especially galls me to see and hear Islamic immigrants whining and complaining about Denmark and the western world when if they got their act together and actually fought for their freedoms as the people of Europe and America have fought for there's then they wouldn't need to be in Denmark and they would have nothing to complain about.

On an individual basis I have no problem with immigrants, whether they are granted assylum as refugee's or have come to Denmark for their own personal reasons and I can't see any problems with such immigration.
aevans176
QUOTE(Vampiel @ Nov 8 2004, 11:43 PM)
Ive been thinking about this alot lately because it was brought to my attention that millions of unskilled laborer's coming into the country drive wage's down. While im not against mass immigration for those who seek the legal path, it is a good point.

What is your opinion on allowing whomever would like to come into the country to be allowed to? If so what fit's the criteria for their entry if any?
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Well, in response to your statement about unskilled labor, all I can say is that this actually predominantly true. According to the USDA Sept 2003 study for instance, hispanic immigration into non-urban areas created a lower wage for HS educated men particularly. Their study primarily centered on rural industry, but I imagine this trend would be applicable regardless of locale.

With that in mind, what benefit does immigration serve? How do we control it and why? Our nation was founded by immigrants. Our whole national premise is that this is the land of opportunity and that people world wide can come here to become Americans and do something wonderful with their lives.

That all being said, I think that Americans shouldn't rely on unskilled labor to produce a comfortable standard of living anymore. Our reactive posture to the world labor market has created an air of ineffectiveness, costly labor, and frankly rendered our production capacity flacid in many ways. In America in 2004, if you're a HS graduate without a trade, higher education, or enlisting in the military, your chances of finding a job paying well is extremely slim.

Do immigrants really drive down unskilled labor wages or does the world market economy?

I am confident that many of us don't own companies with large production needs, and we all believe that if we did we'd use domestic labor. However, what about companies that export world wide and their dist. needs dicate over seas production facilities? What about low-margin items where domestic labor costs cause corporate instability?
Furthermore, what about undesirable work that immigrants have done for decades (i.e. migrant farming, etc)?

I think the real question isn't about documented immigration but undocumented and how well our gov't controls this issue.
Gray Seal
I went to the link provided by Ultimatejoe. One of the documents there estimated there were 13.5 million immigrants into the United States from 1990 to 1999. Over five million of those were illegal immigrants.

This seems to support Vampiel's premise.
Vampiel
QUOTE(Ultimatejoe @ Nov 9 2004, 09:14 AM)
You need to do some research here Vampiel as there aren't "millions of unskilled laborer's" entering the country. According to the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization service only 703,542 entered the country in 2003. I don't know how many people are unskilled labourers out of that group, but if you go to THIS page instead of just relying on Drudge, you may find out.
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I dont even read drudge, I didnt even know it existed until a month ago. I didnt say "million's of unskilled laborer's come into the country every year" did I?

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