Full Version: Terror attacks
I'm sure people have seen the PSA's running on TV about having plans in case of a terror attack. I've seen the commercials on CNN and other stations.
I for one think it's kinda stupid. I mean having a back up plan for when things get bad is good, but this kinda thing seems to ambiguous to me. Also I think since I don't live in any major cities (splitting time between West Lafayette, IN and Austin, TX), I don't have to worry about a terror attack.
So the questions are:
Do you have a plan in case of a terror attack?
Do you think this is necessary, or is this just hype to scare people?
I for one think it's kinda stupid. I mean having a back up plan for when things get bad is good, but this kinda thing seems to ambiguous to me. Also I think since I don't live in any major cities (splitting time between West Lafayette, IN and Austin, TX), I don't have to worry about a terror attack.
So the questions are:
Do you have a plan in case of a terror attack?
Do you think this is necessary, or is this just hype to scare people?
Do you have a plan in case of a terror attack?
Do you think this is necessary, or is this just hype to scare people?
I haven't seen those PSAs, they probably aren't being shown in Los Angeles - for a reason that I'll get into in a moment. We do have a plan of sorts of a "terror attack" I suppose, we have a plan for what to do in case of a disaster in general. I think it's a wise thing to do, particularly living where I do.
Ok, back to the Los Angeles thing in the context of this topic. I view a terrorist attack as something similar to a natural disaster and I think it makes sense to have some sort of a plan in place to deal with something like that. I lived in Simi Valley, California during the 1996 Northridge Earthquake and my community there was absolutely hammered by that earthquake. Some structures leveled, others made unusable, access to and from the city completely cut-off, power, phones, water, gas, everything knocked out. Families were left with what they had that survived the quake and that was it. It took a few days of heroic efforts on the part of people just to get some basic things going again, but until that happened, people were pretty much left on their own with what they had.
Luckily, we had enough bottled water on hand to drink and I had a gas BBQ that made it through. Between that BBQ and the food everyone in the neighborhood had on hand, people were able to eat ok. I must say though I did learn how to BBQ some rather unique dishes.
The point being that it's just plain common sense I think for people to prepare for the unexpected whether it's a natural disaster like an earthquake, flood, tornado, hurricane, whatever. Or, a terrorist attack close to them that does many of the same things as any other disaster. If these PSAs talk about how one goes about making that kind of preparation, then I'm all for them. That's something that people should know.
Do you think this is necessary, or is this just hype to scare people?
I haven't seen those PSAs, they probably aren't being shown in Los Angeles - for a reason that I'll get into in a moment. We do have a plan of sorts of a "terror attack" I suppose, we have a plan for what to do in case of a disaster in general. I think it's a wise thing to do, particularly living where I do.
Ok, back to the Los Angeles thing in the context of this topic. I view a terrorist attack as something similar to a natural disaster and I think it makes sense to have some sort of a plan in place to deal with something like that. I lived in Simi Valley, California during the 1996 Northridge Earthquake and my community there was absolutely hammered by that earthquake. Some structures leveled, others made unusable, access to and from the city completely cut-off, power, phones, water, gas, everything knocked out. Families were left with what they had that survived the quake and that was it. It took a few days of heroic efforts on the part of people just to get some basic things going again, but until that happened, people were pretty much left on their own with what they had.
Luckily, we had enough bottled water on hand to drink and I had a gas BBQ that made it through. Between that BBQ and the food everyone in the neighborhood had on hand, people were able to eat ok. I must say though I did learn how to BBQ some rather unique dishes.
The point being that it's just plain common sense I think for people to prepare for the unexpected whether it's a natural disaster like an earthquake, flood, tornado, hurricane, whatever. Or, a terrorist attack close to them that does many of the same things as any other disaster. If these PSAs talk about how one goes about making that kind of preparation, then I'm all for them. That's something that people should know.
QUOTE(Devils Advocate @ Jan 21 2005, 04:15 PM)
I'm sure people have seen the PSA's running on TV about having plans in case of a terror attack. I've seen the commercials on CNN and other stations.
I for one think it's kinda stupid. I mean having a back up plan for when things get bad is good, but this kinda thing seems to ambiguous to me. Also I think since I don't live in any major cities (splitting time between West Lafayette, IN and Austin, TX), I don't have to worry about a terror attack.
So the questions are:
Do you have a plan in case of a terror attack?
Do you think this is necessary, or is this just hype to scare people?
Of course I have a plan. I'll hunker down in my duct taped and visquined bomb shelter, put on my army surplus gas mask, lock and load my AK-47 and eat my MRE's under the light my kerosene lamp and the sound of my shortwave radio..... but seriously.... no. I don't have a "plan" per say. I'm more concerned about ice storms or bad summer weather taking out my electricity for a few days than a terror attack.
I don't think it's "scaring people" to ask them to be prepared. The only step that I have done is to fill a few 5 gal cans with fresh water. I also have some dried foods from my camping stores. The biggest practical impact on people could be (from terrorism or natural disaster) a shortage of water and no electricity. If you can handle several days of that, I think you're as prepared as you can expect to be from a practical perspective.
Do you have a plan in case of a terror attack?
Same plan as for a lightening strike, which is much more likely to happen around here. Get low and hope for the best.
I do avoid high buildings though. It's easy right now.
Do you think this is necessary, or is this just hype to scare people?
I think someone had money to spend on these ads, but I don't see them as being especially fear-invoking. Silly is a good word for them, like using duct tape and plastic if poison gas/bios come your way.
It's wise to be aware of your primary threats and be prepared. We don't get many terrorist attacks around here, but I suppose it could happen. Pikes Peak could blow its top too.
Aquilla, commenting on something you haven't seen? Gotcha!
Same plan as for a lightening strike, which is much more likely to happen around here. Get low and hope for the best.
I do avoid high buildings though. It's easy right now.
Do you think this is necessary, or is this just hype to scare people?
I think someone had money to spend on these ads, but I don't see them as being especially fear-invoking. Silly is a good word for them, like using duct tape and plastic if poison gas/bios come your way.
It's wise to be aware of your primary threats and be prepared. We don't get many terrorist attacks around here, but I suppose it could happen. Pikes Peak could blow its top too.
Aquilla, commenting on something you haven't seen? Gotcha!
Do you have a plan in case of a terror attack?
Do you think this is necessary, or is this just hype to scare people?
Essentially the same plan as I have for the rather more likely (in temrs of simple probability, anyway) of storm, fire, flood, earthquake, etc. :
And there should be other such films that encourage the public to be reasonably watchful for unusual or suspicious behaviour - every public building (railways stations, sports venues, etc) in Britain has had signs, public announcements, etc to watch out for unattended packages, suspicious people, and so on, and report them to staff for DECADES now. (Admittedly inspired by the IRA bombing campaigns of the 1970s and 80s). Again, this doesn't necessarily have to mention terrorism specifically - if for no other reason than it would help to prevent other types of crime too.
The problem with making people think about terrorism as if it's a constant threat, and separating it from all the other types of unexpected disaster, is that it makes people change their behaviour through fear. Something else tries to do that - terrorism itself. It can't be sensible to use a campaign against something that unintentionally helps that something, can it. It's like using laetrile (the carcinogen made form apricot stones) as a cancer treatment - counter-productive.
Looked at another way, though - scared people tend to do what their government wants them to do, especially if it is not the government that they (think they) are scared of. We need to be watchful of such advertising.
Do you think this is necessary, or is this just hype to scare people?
Essentially the same plan as I have for the rather more likely (in temrs of simple probability, anyway) of storm, fire, flood, earthquake, etc. :
- Hope it doesn't happen
- Trust the relevant authorities will do what they can to prevent it before and mitigate it afterwards
- Have some tinned foods and bottled water on hand to help me last from the befroe to the after, if I don't get killed in the during.
- Not let it interfere in my daily life beyond that.
- er, that's it.
And there should be other such films that encourage the public to be reasonably watchful for unusual or suspicious behaviour - every public building (railways stations, sports venues, etc) in Britain has had signs, public announcements, etc to watch out for unattended packages, suspicious people, and so on, and report them to staff for DECADES now. (Admittedly inspired by the IRA bombing campaigns of the 1970s and 80s). Again, this doesn't necessarily have to mention terrorism specifically - if for no other reason than it would help to prevent other types of crime too.
The problem with making people think about terrorism as if it's a constant threat, and separating it from all the other types of unexpected disaster, is that it makes people change their behaviour through fear. Something else tries to do that - terrorism itself. It can't be sensible to use a campaign against something that unintentionally helps that something, can it. It's like using laetrile (the carcinogen made form apricot stones) as a cancer treatment - counter-productive.
Looked at another way, though - scared people tend to do what their government wants them to do, especially if it is not the government that they (think they) are scared of. We need to be watchful of such advertising.
well, i've got 3 nuclear power plants right around where i live so, it's important for my family to have one, even if it isn't necessarily for terrorist attacks specifically. Then again, with 3 being so close, if one of them melts down, or is attacked i doubt i'd have much time to do anything
Seems like some perspective is in order. We all need a disaster plan, however do we specifically need a terror attack plan?
Terrorism is one of many disasters that could occur. Apart from the tsunami other real threats include:
- part of the volcanic Canary Islands (just west of Afirca) could collapse causing a tsunami that floods the American east coast and puts Manhattan underwater (overdue)
- the Yellowstone supervolcano could erupt (overdue)
- more Atlantic hurricanes including ones on more northerly tracks that flood east coast cities built on landfill
...the list goes on
However why is the government selectively using the public purse to promote preparation for terror attacks?
The neoconservative line of thinking. pioneered by Strauss and held by more than a few of the Presidents advisors, is to create fear of an evil powerful enemy, when in fact this is a deliberate myth used to draw together an otherwise self-interested liberal society that otherwise would inevitably collapse. Fear can be used as a device to create unity and focus people on common values.
Don't know if people have read about the CIA 'Team B' s findings (of which Paul Wolfowitz was a member) in the 70s and 80s that some have alleged created just such fantasies to justify (falsely) soaring anti-Soviet defense spending and spending $1bn to help the Mujahadeen's war in Afghanistan.
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.as...RJ8OVF&b=140711
It is claimed that as opposed to "Team B" we now have Donald Rumsfeld's "Strategic Support Branch" that operates outside public view and without the oversight that the CIA has. Do others think such a group may have influence and the motivations described above?
These adverts would seem to play to Neoconservative aspirations at a time when popular support for bombing Iran might be needed.
Personally I don't have enough facts or input to establish quite what is the truth and I'm very interested in educating myself.
Terrorism is one of many disasters that could occur. Apart from the tsunami other real threats include:
- part of the volcanic Canary Islands (just west of Afirca) could collapse causing a tsunami that floods the American east coast and puts Manhattan underwater (overdue)
- the Yellowstone supervolcano could erupt (overdue)
- more Atlantic hurricanes including ones on more northerly tracks that flood east coast cities built on landfill
...the list goes on
However why is the government selectively using the public purse to promote preparation for terror attacks?
The neoconservative line of thinking. pioneered by Strauss and held by more than a few of the Presidents advisors, is to create fear of an evil powerful enemy, when in fact this is a deliberate myth used to draw together an otherwise self-interested liberal society that otherwise would inevitably collapse. Fear can be used as a device to create unity and focus people on common values.
Don't know if people have read about the CIA 'Team B' s findings (of which Paul Wolfowitz was a member) in the 70s and 80s that some have alleged created just such fantasies to justify (falsely) soaring anti-Soviet defense spending and spending $1bn to help the Mujahadeen's war in Afghanistan.
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.as...RJ8OVF&b=140711
It is claimed that as opposed to "Team B" we now have Donald Rumsfeld's "Strategic Support Branch" that operates outside public view and without the oversight that the CIA has. Do others think such a group may have influence and the motivations described above?
These adverts would seem to play to Neoconservative aspirations at a time when popular support for bombing Iran might be needed.
Personally I don't have enough facts or input to establish quite what is the truth and I'm very interested in educating myself.
Do you have a plan in case of a terror attack?
Do you think this is necessary, or is this just hype to scare people?
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If such an atrocity were to occur on U.S. soil it would lead to limited resources. Eventually there would be people fighting over them. Self-defense is something that the right wing is much more experienced with than the left. If we take preparedness seriously we should take advantage of the 2nd ammendment. Otherwise our new national spokespeople will be survivalists.
I think that some sort of tactical training is the best plan.
Do you think this is necessary, or is this just hype to scare people?
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If such an atrocity were to occur on U.S. soil it would lead to limited resources. Eventually there would be people fighting over them. Self-defense is something that the right wing is much more experienced with than the left. If we take preparedness seriously we should take advantage of the 2nd ammendment. Otherwise our new national spokespeople will be survivalists.
I think that some sort of tactical training is the best plan.
QUOTE(Diabolita23)
If such an atrocity were to occur on U.S. soil it would lead to limited resources. Eventually there would be people fighting over them. Self-defense is something that the right wing is much more experienced with than the left. If we take preparedness seriously we should take advantage of the 2nd ammendment. Otherwise our new national spokespeople will be survivalists.
I think that some sort of tactical training is the best plan.
I think that some sort of tactical training is the best plan.
Hi, and welcome Diabolita23. Now on to your post:
You didn't really address any of my questions, and I'm not sure how giving everyone guns with the second amendment would lead to anything less than people fighting over resources and the survivalists winning. What I was getting at with the questions is, doesn't this seems silly, since the chance of being involved in a terror attack are so low? I'm all for preparation, and think that if one lives in a high population area then one should have a plan for this type of thing. If proper precautions are taken, then lives can be saved and whatever chaos and confusion that as caused will be easier to deal with and resolve.
Also, I'm not sure that the right wing has more experience with self defense per se. If owning a gun = self defense then I guess so, but I think self-defense can fall under many headings, and one doesn't need a gun to make it so.
The Alert Level system has become a scare tactic, not a conventional means of warning the masses. The government manufactured a wonderful little color-coded system that looks like the board of some kind of child's game. The point was to convey the danger that the country was in for risk of a terrorist strike. Ridiculed by critics and loved by idiots this system has caused little comfort in the hearts of anyone. I find I sleep better at night with my door locked and soft music playing; it is for this reason that I feel safe in my room, not because the government tells me to feel safe.
Fear can be an inspiring tool in the hands of those with the power to wield it. Fear can strike the heart faster than you can draw breath, and with this power suppression can take a form of depression in the people, resulting in little challenge to any action a government should force upon its citizens. This system of warning has become nothing more than organized propaganda and a means to dominate the people.
A government truly concerned with it's people's lives would not be issuing a piece of paper, they would be establishing provisions that ensure domestic continuation in the event of a fall-out. Should the government not be reding us for the worst instead of telling us what to do in the event of it? I see no viable logic in this piece of paper, unless action and word can back it it has no meaning. Actions speak louder than words, and I see the words, but I do not see the action supporting the words.
Fear can be an inspiring tool in the hands of those with the power to wield it. Fear can strike the heart faster than you can draw breath, and with this power suppression can take a form of depression in the people, resulting in little challenge to any action a government should force upon its citizens. This system of warning has become nothing more than organized propaganda and a means to dominate the people.
A government truly concerned with it's people's lives would not be issuing a piece of paper, they would be establishing provisions that ensure domestic continuation in the event of a fall-out. Should the government not be reding us for the worst instead of telling us what to do in the event of it? I see no viable logic in this piece of paper, unless action and word can back it it has no meaning. Actions speak louder than words, and I see the words, but I do not see the action supporting the words.
QUOTE(Devils Advocate @ Jan 25 2005, 06:04 PM)
What I was getting at with the questions is, doesn't this seems silly, since the chance of being involved in a terror attack are so low?
Thank you for the welcome. It's good to be here.
I don't think it seems silly. I think it seems silly to be living one's life without preparing for such a thing. We've been lulled by television, refined sugar, and security measures at the airport into thinking we're safe all the time. The truth is we live in a violent, fearful country. While I wouldn't add to this fear by obsessing about it - I can't deny that my life has been touched enough by random violence that I think I understand what would happen if the violence were not so random.
I don't have a plan for an attack like 9/11, but I do have self-defense measures to protect myself from the people reacting to such an event. It doesn't put me out any to have these measures, so I don't see why I shouldn't, no matter how slim the chance is.
Maybe I just play too many video games.
In 2001, even though it contained one of the most effective and well planned terror attacks in history, more Americans died of food poisoning than terrorist attacks. Average things out of the decade and it's important to recognize 9/11 was a blip.
Some perspective:
Deaths in ths US in 2001, (source CDC):
1) Heart Disease: 700,142
2) Cancer: 553,768
3) Stroke: 163,538
4) Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 123,013
5) Accidents (unintentional injuries): 101,537
6) Diabetes: 71,372
7) Influenza/Pneumonia: 62,034
8) Alzheimer's disease: 53,852
9) Car accidents: 42, 116
10) Nephritis, (Kidney ailment) nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 39,480
11) Septicemia (Blood poisoning): 32,238
12) Murder: 15,980 (30,000 people died from gunfire)
Terrorism is much further down the scale.
Moving to terrorism 'related' deaths we then need to consider:
400,206 annual Tobacco related deaths
116,000 annual Alcohol related deaths
106,000 annual Pharmaceutical Drug deaths
19,102 annual Illegal drug deaths
Some perspective:
Deaths in ths US in 2001, (source CDC):
1) Heart Disease: 700,142
2) Cancer: 553,768
3) Stroke: 163,538
4) Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 123,013
5) Accidents (unintentional injuries): 101,537
6) Diabetes: 71,372
7) Influenza/Pneumonia: 62,034
8) Alzheimer's disease: 53,852
9) Car accidents: 42, 116
10) Nephritis, (Kidney ailment) nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 39,480
11) Septicemia (Blood poisoning): 32,238
12) Murder: 15,980 (30,000 people died from gunfire)
Terrorism is much further down the scale.
Moving to terrorism 'related' deaths we then need to consider:
400,206 annual Tobacco related deaths
116,000 annual Alcohol related deaths
106,000 annual Pharmaceutical Drug deaths
19,102 annual Illegal drug deaths
Surely most terror attacks would be very 'focused' - i.e a small bomb - something that will kill everyone in the vicinity whilst leaving the larger city intact...so basically - you either get blown up or you don't.
I know people have been talking about dirty bombs and what not, but those are very indiscriminate methods - terrorist with a politcal agenda wouldn't want to be seen blowing up 'just anyone'...
I know people have been talking about dirty bombs and what not, but those are very indiscriminate methods - terrorist with a politcal agenda wouldn't want to be seen blowing up 'just anyone'...
Do you have a plan in case of a terror attack?
I have no plans. Really, it's the luck of the draw. If you happen to be in the
wrong place at the wrong time, that's the way the chips fall.
Do you think this is necessary, or is this just hype to scare people?
It is necessary for people to understand that in life there is no guarantee
of safety and security. Just yesterday, in a city where I used to live (Glendale,
CA), a man parked his car on the railroad tracks, in an attempt to commit
suicide. At the last minute, he changed his mind. He left his vehicle parked
on the tracks and got himself to safety. Shortly thereafter, a tragic train
derailment occurred due to his parked car. Eleven people died
and many more were injured. How can one prepare for that tragic outcome?
It's impossible to absolutely protect oneself from harm's way. If someone or
some group wants to harm others, they'll find a way. And, to trust that our
government (especially the current one) will protect us is wishful thinking.
Maybe they are the ones we need protection from the most.
Quite frankly, I worry more about a natural disaster, and the chaos that would
ensue after such a catastrophic event.
Demos, you're right on the money!
I have no plans. Really, it's the luck of the draw. If you happen to be in the
wrong place at the wrong time, that's the way the chips fall.
Do you think this is necessary, or is this just hype to scare people?
It is necessary for people to understand that in life there is no guarantee
of safety and security. Just yesterday, in a city where I used to live (Glendale,
CA), a man parked his car on the railroad tracks, in an attempt to commit
suicide. At the last minute, he changed his mind. He left his vehicle parked
on the tracks and got himself to safety. Shortly thereafter, a tragic train
derailment occurred due to his parked car. Eleven people died
and many more were injured. How can one prepare for that tragic outcome?
It's impossible to absolutely protect oneself from harm's way. If someone or
some group wants to harm others, they'll find a way. And, to trust that our
government (especially the current one) will protect us is wishful thinking.
Maybe they are the ones we need protection from the most.
Quite frankly, I worry more about a natural disaster, and the chaos that would
ensue after such a catastrophic event.
QUOTE(VDemosthenes @ Jan 26 2005, 04:34 PM)
Fear can be an inspiring tool in the hands of those with the power to wield it.
Fear can strike the heart faster than you can draw breath, and with this power
suppression can take a form of depression in the people, resulting in little
challenge to any action a government should force upon its citizens. This system
of warning has become nothing more than organized propaganda and a means
to dominate the people.
Fear can strike the heart faster than you can draw breath, and with this power
suppression can take a form of depression in the people, resulting in little
challenge to any action a government should force upon its citizens. This system
of warning has become nothing more than organized propaganda and a means
to dominate the people.
Demos, you're right on the money!
Do you have a plan in case of a terror attack?
Do you think this is necessary, or is this just hype to scare people?
Duck and Cover man, Duck and Cover!
Of course a good What IF plan is always a sound idea--but seriously Im not afraid of the terrorist attack but the mass hysteria and ignorance and blind fear of the surrounding cowards. We had to use bottled water here in phoenix for 1 lousy stinkin day because of the heavy rain had gotten the treatment plants clogged with sediment and the people here freaked.
1 day?
My suggestion to people of color would be to hide cause Im sure there would be plenty of Real Amerikuhns who'll do "Whats necessary" to protect Ze Mudderlahnd"
Do you think this is necessary, or is this just hype to scare people?
Duck and Cover man, Duck and Cover!
Of course a good What IF plan is always a sound idea--but seriously Im not afraid of the terrorist attack but the mass hysteria and ignorance and blind fear of the surrounding cowards. We had to use bottled water here in phoenix for 1 lousy stinkin day because of the heavy rain had gotten the treatment plants clogged with sediment and the people here freaked.
1 day?
My suggestion to people of color would be to hide cause Im sure there would be plenty of Real Amerikuhns who'll do "Whats necessary" to protect Ze Mudderlahnd"
Do you have a plan in case of a terror attack?
No.
Do you think this is necessary, or is this just hype to scare people?
In my opinion it is unnecessary. If something does happen to you (which is very improbable), there is not much you can do. I would however disagree with an assertion that the main villain in this case is the administration. For the purposes of this case, I believe the media is to blame.
No.
Do you think this is necessary, or is this just hype to scare people?
In my opinion it is unnecessary. If something does happen to you (which is very improbable), there is not much you can do. I would however disagree with an assertion that the main villain in this case is the administration. For the purposes of this case, I believe the media is to blame.
Since I once I worked in the World Trade Center and must take public transit to and from work daily, like the rest of my fellow New Yorkers, we just go with the flow.
We’re all cognizant that we’re in the bull’s eye of al Qaeda, but we go about our lives with no fear.
There’s little we can do and we can’t look to George W. Bush to protect us.
During the campaign, Dubya basically told everyone that “a vote for a Kerry would be risking the same type of devastating terrorist attack that happened on my watch.”
Made sense to me.
The only thing I have cautioned many to do is what I have done:
Keep on hand several extra cans of already processed or prepared foods, a couple of jugs of water, two, (not one), flashlights and a fully charged cell phone.
My family and friends did come up with locations for us to meet up in the event of a disaster, but we nixed them after realizing that traffic would be impossible in a city-wide emergency and that the streets might not be as friendly as they were on the day of the Blackout.
We’re all cognizant that we’re in the bull’s eye of al Qaeda, but we go about our lives with no fear.
There’s little we can do and we can’t look to George W. Bush to protect us.
During the campaign, Dubya basically told everyone that “a vote for a Kerry would be risking the same type of devastating terrorist attack that happened on my watch.”
Made sense to me.
The only thing I have cautioned many to do is what I have done:
Keep on hand several extra cans of already processed or prepared foods, a couple of jugs of water, two, (not one), flashlights and a fully charged cell phone.
My family and friends did come up with locations for us to meet up in the event of a disaster, but we nixed them after realizing that traffic would be impossible in a city-wide emergency and that the streets might not be as friendly as they were on the day of the Blackout.
Our forefathers knew black magic and alchemy shouldn’t you?
Chaos magic is how our government controls us and through other means of course, but there is a lot going on right now.
You should look into what's gone down, so too know what's going down now.
Add it up to subtract it down.
Becoming a zombie is not a thing just for the movie ’s or for crack heads.
It ’s something much worse.
And it is wicked and it is coming our way.
Read Morals and Dogma, the last chapter is quite interesting to how our future is being directed.
What is this book?
It ’s what our president is reading or has already read …I think we ’ll continue to have one up on him on that one, but a lot of the other people you see sitting behind him and a lot of the one you don ’t see behind him are very much old 33 ’s and they know the book and live it ’s life, congress passed a doomsday bill 2 days ago did you know that?
When you become a thirty third mason this book is given to you to read, it claims to have all the truths of the world, I ’ve read it and can say it make a lot of sense, it make a lot of the question about history disappear, I feel much more clear headed, this is a book for a private club of rich people who run the world.
This is something you should be aware of.
It truly is, a sad and beautiful world.
But if it ends like the book says then well it was great knowing you …
Want to do something?
Read Talk Learn
Love and Conquer,
James
ps. sorry if you liked history the way it was lied to you.
pss. ordo ab chao+ HAARP = DECEMBER 26th
Chaos magic is how our government controls us and through other means of course, but there is a lot going on right now.
You should look into what's gone down, so too know what's going down now.
Add it up to subtract it down.
Becoming a zombie is not a thing just for the movie ’s or for crack heads.
It ’s something much worse.
And it is wicked and it is coming our way.
Read Morals and Dogma, the last chapter is quite interesting to how our future is being directed.
What is this book?
It ’s what our president is reading or has already read …I think we ’ll continue to have one up on him on that one, but a lot of the other people you see sitting behind him and a lot of the one you don ’t see behind him are very much old 33 ’s and they know the book and live it ’s life, congress passed a doomsday bill 2 days ago did you know that?
When you become a thirty third mason this book is given to you to read, it claims to have all the truths of the world, I ’ve read it and can say it make a lot of sense, it make a lot of the question about history disappear, I feel much more clear headed, this is a book for a private club of rich people who run the world.
This is something you should be aware of.
It truly is, a sad and beautiful world.
But if it ends like the book says then well it was great knowing you …
Want to do something?
Read Talk Learn
Love and Conquer,
James
ps. sorry if you liked history the way it was lied to you.
pss. ordo ab chao+ HAARP = DECEMBER 26th
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DEBATE:
Do you have a plan in case of a terror attack?
Do you think this is necessary, or is this just hype to scare people?
DEBATE:
Do you have a plan in case of a terror attack?
Do you think this is necessary, or is this just hype to scare people?
Well, Pennsylvania Hex signs will not adorn my door, nor garlic or lambs blood. However, some of my best friends are Masons, so I guess they will look out for me if the Dubya's Warrior Wizards go on a tirade. 
Do you have a plan in case of a terror attack?
Do you think this is necessary, or is this just hype to scare people?
I don't think it will scare people, but I also don't think having a "Terror Plan" needs to be any different then a Disaster Plan. I personally do not differentiate between the two.
My plan is simple, and it covers any disaster, not just Terrorist attacks. The first step in my plan was having a "safe room" in our basement.
Not like that panic room movie, but that would be nice.
I picked a room with 3 concrete walls, and installed a steel beam across the gap between the two. The room also has a window. I created a 3/4" plywood cover that can swing down and latch in place to cover the window. I wanted a room with a window because I want a way out if the house collapses.
In this room is an assortment of tools I might need to get us out. 72 hours of food for my family of 3 +1 (just in case) and our 6 animals, 16 gallons of bottles water that we switch out annually, a hand crank radio, a hand crank flash light, and several regular flash lights with lots of extra batteries. There are books for my wife and I, a small TV (for storm watching), games for my daughter and reasonably comfy chairs to sit in.
I highly recommend 72 hours of supplies regardless of whether you are preparing a safe place for hurricanes, tornados, terrorist attacks or whatever. If disaster struck and your house collapses, you will be trapped in the basement. If it happened to you it likely happened to others, you may be waiting days for emergency services to did you out.
Currently I am looking into viable options for hygiene, like camping toilets and the like.
My wife and I are both trained members of my towns C.E.R.T. Team. (Community Emergency Response Team). It's a program the feds came up with and my town took the opportunity to set up. It is part of Americorps (which I guess is seem as the new Nazi youth movement to some, but I choose to benefit from it).
In the event of a Tornado Warning my wife and I move all the animals to this space. We then move whatever blankets and extras we may may need based on current weather. If a Tornado is sited on the ground anywhere near us we move everyone to the space and I cut off the gas and water to the house. I will wait until I here rushing wind before I cut the electric, otherwise how would I get to AD (yes the laptop goes does stairs as well
).
It's a simple plan, and it has some bugs to work out, but all in all we are better prepared then most. My one concern is that my neighbors and family will need me in a time of disaster but I will be Called up to the Reserves as my unit is locally based (at least until the process of discharging me due to tenure is complete).
Do you have a plan in case of a terror attack?
Do you think this is necessary, or is this just hype to scare people?
I don't think it will scare people, but I also don't think having a "Terror Plan" needs to be any different then a Disaster Plan. I personally do not differentiate between the two.
My plan is simple, and it covers any disaster, not just Terrorist attacks. The first step in my plan was having a "safe room" in our basement.
Not like that panic room movie, but that would be nice.
I picked a room with 3 concrete walls, and installed a steel beam across the gap between the two. The room also has a window. I created a 3/4" plywood cover that can swing down and latch in place to cover the window. I wanted a room with a window because I want a way out if the house collapses.
In this room is an assortment of tools I might need to get us out. 72 hours of food for my family of 3 +1 (just in case) and our 6 animals, 16 gallons of bottles water that we switch out annually, a hand crank radio, a hand crank flash light, and several regular flash lights with lots of extra batteries. There are books for my wife and I, a small TV (for storm watching), games for my daughter and reasonably comfy chairs to sit in.
I highly recommend 72 hours of supplies regardless of whether you are preparing a safe place for hurricanes, tornados, terrorist attacks or whatever. If disaster struck and your house collapses, you will be trapped in the basement. If it happened to you it likely happened to others, you may be waiting days for emergency services to did you out.
Currently I am looking into viable options for hygiene, like camping toilets and the like.
My wife and I are both trained members of my towns C.E.R.T. Team. (Community Emergency Response Team). It's a program the feds came up with and my town took the opportunity to set up. It is part of Americorps (which I guess is seem as the new Nazi youth movement to some, but I choose to benefit from it).
In the event of a Tornado Warning my wife and I move all the animals to this space. We then move whatever blankets and extras we may may need based on current weather. If a Tornado is sited on the ground anywhere near us we move everyone to the space and I cut off the gas and water to the house. I will wait until I here rushing wind before I cut the electric, otherwise how would I get to AD (yes the laptop goes does stairs as well
).It's a simple plan, and it has some bugs to work out, but all in all we are better prepared then most. My one concern is that my neighbors and family will need me in a time of disaster but I will be Called up to the Reserves as my unit is locally based (at least until the process of discharging me due to tenure is complete).
Do you have a plan in case of a terror attack?
I don't have a "plan" and lived for years in London during years of repeated IRA bombings without the need for one.
Do you think this is necessary, or is this just hype to scare people?
I haven't seen the ads but defending oneself from a 'terror attack' is suspicously broad. Are the ads at all specific about what the threats are and preventative measures? If not who would stand to gain by promoting such unjustified fear?
A useful ad would explain that dirty bombs do not work (current conventional wisdom amongst the experts), eliminating the fear and panic and possibly preempting terrorist use of this threat.
I lived in London through the height of the IRA bombings. The IRA, known incidentally to some as 'freedom fighters', destroyed a pub 300 yards from where I worked, caused Charing Cross Road to be evacuated with an almighty 1,000lb van bomb (that was luckily defused) and repeatedly disrupted commutes causing you to be standing on a cold train station platform for 2 hours after repeated false bomb threats. In such an environment your thinking progresses to the knowledge that there's little you can do - it's a lottery where there are better odds of dying in a car crash.
If the ads are lacking in specifics then it seems valid to question both their motives and use of taxpayer's money. Surely there's no general "plan" that's going to help short of Douglas Adam's inimitable words "Don't Panic".
BritUsBrit
I don't have a "plan" and lived for years in London during years of repeated IRA bombings without the need for one.
Do you think this is necessary, or is this just hype to scare people?
I haven't seen the ads but defending oneself from a 'terror attack' is suspicously broad. Are the ads at all specific about what the threats are and preventative measures? If not who would stand to gain by promoting such unjustified fear?
A useful ad would explain that dirty bombs do not work (current conventional wisdom amongst the experts), eliminating the fear and panic and possibly preempting terrorist use of this threat.
I lived in London through the height of the IRA bombings. The IRA, known incidentally to some as 'freedom fighters', destroyed a pub 300 yards from where I worked, caused Charing Cross Road to be evacuated with an almighty 1,000lb van bomb (that was luckily defused) and repeatedly disrupted commutes causing you to be standing on a cold train station platform for 2 hours after repeated false bomb threats. In such an environment your thinking progresses to the knowledge that there's little you can do - it's a lottery where there are better odds of dying in a car crash.
If the ads are lacking in specifics then it seems valid to question both their motives and use of taxpayer's money. Surely there's no general "plan" that's going to help short of Douglas Adam's inimitable words "Don't Panic".
BritUsBrit
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