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More than 600 people, many of them children, have died in a prolonged bout of bad winter weather in Afghanistan that has included unprecedented snowfall, heavy rain and below freezing temperatures.

In some eastern provinces ravenous wolves have been attacking equally hungry children.

The United Nations is just short of declaring "a humanitarian crisis" for Afghanistan.

Yet the deaths and suffering and last month's air crash near Kabul are as much to do with the still chronically slow progress in rebuilding the country's destroyed infrastructure as the weather.[...]
More than 400,000 people have received food and other aid from the Afghan government, US-led coalition forces, Nato peacekeeping forces, UN agencies and Afghan and Western non-governmental organisations.


But they face the problem of how to get to them when snowfall has blocked mountain passes, avalanches have cut off villages, the few dirt track roads are impassable and there are no telephones to warn of impending disasters.


Even in Kabul's premier Indira Gandhi hospital, children in incubators and on respirators live or die depending on whether there are power cuts to the hospital.

Heating is non-existent and at times the temperature in the hospital has dropped to minus 10 degrees Celsius.

Many of the districts have no functioning hospitals and local clinics are devoid of medicines.


This I would guess we all knew Afghanistan being one the poorest countries in the world.

This is were we (the international community) come in.
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The money is there but the projects are not, due to bureaucratic bottlenecks that paralyse major aid donors such as the European Union, the US and the World Bank.



The international community pledged $13.4bn at the Tokyo and Berlin reconstruction conferences for the five years starting December 2001.

This despite a needs assessment by the Afghan government of $27bn.

Yet, according to the Centre on International Cooperation at New York University, until last month only $3.9bn had been given out for reconstruction projects.

Of that only $900m worth of projects has actually been completed.

In comparison Iraq is receiving many times what Afghanistan is getting in funds for reconstruction.

The kind of effort the US-led coalition has put into rebuilding the power grid in Baghdad has never been seen in Kabul.

Cold exposes Afghanistan's broken promises
So, why is Afghanistan seeing so little in the way of reconstruction?

What are the "bureaucratic bottlenecks" that hold this up?

Do donors have an obligation to fulfil their pledges?

How can the pace of reconstruction in the country be picked up?

Is Afghanistan of it's way to becoming a functioning, prosperous democracy?
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Cube Jockey
So, why is Afghanistan seeing so little in the way of reconstruction?

Well, I think the answer is pretty obvious there - they have no oil. In other words we have no motivation to participate in reconstruction here.

In virtually every state of the union address or major speech Bush has talked up Afghanistan, they are a feather in the cap of this administration. Ever since the day we invaded Iraq I knew that this was going to happen, I just wasn't sure how long it would take and whether it would be reported or not.

Was a democratic election in Afghanistan any less important or dramatic than it was in Iraq? Are the huge advances in women's rights insignificant?

It would seem to me that logic would dictate that a large investment in the infrastructure and people of this country would be vital to ensure they didn't slide back into poverty and become a breeding ground for terrorists again.

We are seeing the real effects of the glorious Bush administration foreign policy in effect here - spread democracy and then you are on your own after we have bombed your country back to the stone age. Great policy thumbsup.gif

What are the "bureaucratic bottlenecks" that hold this up?
Good question, what are they? I'd like to know actually. My suspicion is that we don't really have any intention of providing aid to Afghanistan, we are much more concerned with what is going on in Iraq.

Do donors have an obligation to fulfil their pledges?
I suppose, but I generally am not in the practice of holding anyone to things unless they are contractually obligated to do them. I would think the countries that pledged money to Afghanistan would want to fulfill their pledges, but I don't think there is anything that requires them to.

Is Afghanistan of it's way to becoming a functioning, prosperous democracy?
Um... no. Afghanistan is on the path to become exactly what it has been for the past few decades, a country that is extremely poor controlled by powerful warlords. They are a Democracy at the moment but if the situation is not improved there are those that will rise up and take control of the country once again. You'll have the next version of the taliban in control of the country again.

Once that happens you can expect to see terrorists pouring back into the country. I don't know if Osama Bin Laden is dead or alive (and for that matter neither does the bush administration) but I'm willing to bet that his replacement is growing up in the streets of Kabul right now and we'll have nothing to blame but our neglect when he strikes.

It is possible to put them on the right track, and I'm sure the people of Afghanistan want nothing more than to live their lives and be prosperous and free. That will not happen unless heavy investments are made in infrastructure and commerce now, rather than later.
Amlord
Thanks for opening a new opportunity for Bush-bashing, turnea thumbsup.gif (although I know that was not your intention).

I think the main problem here lies in two little letters inside one of your questions for debate:

So, why is Afghanistan seeing so little in the way of RE-construction?

Ah, RE-construction. Wouldn't that assume that the infrastructure was there to begin with? Is building from scratch considered reconstruction?

Afghanistan has been among the poorest nations in Asia for, well, forever. Is it our responsibility to transform Afghanistan from a backward, third world nation into a shining example of utopia? Did ravenous wolves attack people in the days of the Taliban? Were there widely available medicines and hospitals before we arrived?

We went into Afghanistan to get rid of the fools who were running it into the ground (and foolishly helped Al Qaeda attack the US in the process). We didn't go there to turn it into utopia.

And yet, the country is immensely better off than it was before we went in. The entire GDP of Afghanistan is $20 billion per year. Whether the aid has been $1 billion or $4 billion, that is a huge influx into Afghanistan.


What are the "bureaucratic bottlenecks" that hold this up?
There are the usual bottlenecks: feet dragging, other priorities, and distance from civilization being some of them.

Do donors have an obligation to fulfil their pledges?
Legally? I doubt it. Morally, they should.

Is Afghanistan of it's way to becoming a functioning, prosperous democracy?
Well, it has the democracy part in its infancy. That means that the functioning part must be developed. No one can guarantee prosperity, of course. The country has limited natural resources and very poor soil. Of course, it was never our responsibility to make Afghanistan prosperous. We simply freed it from the mullahs that controlled it before.
Cube Jockey
QUOTE(Amlord @ Mar 17 2005, 11:18 AM)
We went into Afghanistan to get rid of the fools who were running it into the ground (and foolishly helped Al Qaeda attack the US in the process).  We didn't go there to turn it into utopia.
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From the way back machine, ancient history in 2004.
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Bush noted "a long road ahead" but pledged that the United States would stand with Afghanistan "as partners."

To seal those ties, Bush ticked off five new initiatives that include training newly elected officials, expanding assistance in the educational realm, working toward a bilateral trade agreement, expanding opportunities for women and increasing opportunities for cultural exchange with the United States.

"My government affirms its ironclad commitment to help Afghanistan succeed and prosper," he said.

Hmm, ironclad commitment, sounds to me to be a lot more like taking steps to rebuild the country than just kicking out the Taliban and running. Or was that just the typical playing to the press and spin from the White House Amlord?

Also from the same article:
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"That journey to democracy and peace deserves the support and respect of every nation," he said at a Rose Garden news conference after a meeting with Karzai, "because free nations do not breed the ideology of terror."

"Coalition forces, including many brave Afghans, have brought America, Afghanistan and the world its first victory in the war on terror," the president said. "Afghanistan is no longer a terrorist factory sending thousands of killers into the world."

The reason why a little "Bush bashing" is in order here Amlord is because this is a direct result of his flawed foreign policy. You cannot simply go into a country, remove the leadership, declare a Democracy and leave and actually expect to accomplish the goal of beating terrorism.

Terrorism existed not because the Taliban ruled Afghanistan, terrorism existed because of the conditions in the country. The Taliban was a product of the poverty, not the cause of it. The country had few natural resources (as you pointed out), little infrastructure, the people were poor with no opportunities. When you have that situation, that creates a ripe breeding ground for terrorists to recruit people for their cause.

Bush and his neo-con cronies that cooked up his foreign policy think that simply installing democracies everywhere fixes the problem, they couldn't be more wrong and Afghanistan is proof.

So if we really cared about stamping out terrorism in Afghanistan we'd be actively working with them to build their infrastructure, establish trade relationships, support their democratic process and educate their people - basically all of the things Bush promised in that speech quoted above. However, the failure for any of this aid to be delivered is proof that was never really our interest there.

I fully agreed with and supported Bush's actions in Afghanistan after 9/11. They were justified and we got good results, until he stopped focusing on Bin laden and turned his eye to Iraq anyway. But you can't go in there and smash the power structure, install a democracy and expect it to take when you do nothing else. It simply doesn't work that way and anyone who thinks it does isn't very smart in my opinion.

Edited to add: Afghanistan has also recently postponed parliamentary elections again, this time from May to September. They still have no judiciary. It isn't much of a Democracy to begin with.

Also, according to the CIA factbook Opium still accounts for up to 1/3 of their GDP. Seems like we'd have double motivation to invest there, you know to win that "war on drugs" too? rolleyes.gif
Doclotus
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Thanks for opening a new opportunity for Bush-bashing, turnea thumbsup.gif (although I know that was not your intention).

Wow, Amlord. Defensive much? I didn't see a single reference to Bush in the initial question. Much of the question focused on the international community's failure to allocate the funds pledged. Though maybe they are less inclined to no-bid contracts that might facilitate the process whistling.gif CJ's response notwithstanding smile.gif

Perhaps your analysis is correct. There was little in the way of 2nd or 1st world acoutrements pervasive throughout Afghanistan. But, when their PREMIER hospital in its capital city is potentially killing babies because of brown/blackouts of power, wouldn't that reveal perhaps something is left undone in our focus elsewhere? The lone vestige of civilization this country has was decimated in our effort to drive out the Taliban and hunt AQ. So was Baghdad. Why are they being treated differently?

As Colin Powell stated so appropriately in reference to Iraq "We broke it, we bought it." The same applies to Afghanistan. Lets at least give this country something resembling its infrastructure before we bombed it.

Doc
Mustang
Afghanistan isn't forgotten, ops still go on and, in fact, the US troop presence has increased by a small margin in the past year. As regards the pessimism, historical perspective is certainly missing, and the negative bias towards US ops is palpable as this thread moves along. We - and the Afghan people - began working towards establishing a functioning national entity from an extremely low point. But, despite failure to follow through on donor promises and many other shortfalls and bumps in the road, there has been a great deal of positive progress.

The Afghan people do not want a return to the Taliban and do not want terrorists to make their country a haven again. They are stumbling towards democracy, with the biggest hurdle not being terrorists, but simply tribalism and factionalism as evidenced by the warlords. The DDR program is attempting to address a big chunk of that problem.

DDR = Disarmament, Demobilization and Reintegration.

The UNDP Afghanistan's New Beginnings Program

The DDR program is great - but it sounds much easier on paper; it has proven fairly difficult to implement on the ground. None of those munition destruction parties so far have came about without a tremendous amount of effort and patient negotiation. Along the way, we've been very concerned with the potential impact that the expanding DDR program could have upon coalition alliances with local militias in the PRT’s areas of responsibility. In addition to the threat we already face from former Taliban elements and Al-Qa’ida remnants, the DDR program has the potential of alienating various local Afghan militia leaders who, in many locations, are providing critical security support to the PRTs. But thus far, we haven't had any serious incidents.

USAID - Afghanistan

Despite the shortage of funds and other resources, the Afghan people are determined to rebuild this country. And I do not mean just the central government in Kabul. This is being stated and carried out to various degrees in cities like Charikar and Jabal Sarung at the foot of the Salang. In Bamiyan, Kunduz, Jalalabad, Ghazni, Gardez, Khost, Kandahar and even Tarin Khot where Mullah Omar is originally from. If you dont believe this, by all means join an NGO outfit and come on over, I am sure you can see for yourself.

Democracy is truly beginning to work here in Afghanistan and they will succeed, not because the US wants it but because the people want it. They had nothing, they have come from the bottom and they see the chances that are now available to them and I dare say they will fight too keep it. They will not miss the opium plants as much as the media portrays it, they simply dont recieve the financial benefit. It goes to the warlords and the drug couriers. The eradication program is still in its infancy but it is progressing daily and the people that grow it, for the most part, understand this.

Here's some more optimism, from the Central Asia Caucasus Institute at Johns Hopkins: US Afghanistan Policy - Its Working.
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The new pace and direction of American policy, announced in October, 2003, has been applied on the ground in Afghanistan only since spring of this year. More time must pass before a definitive evaluation is possible. However, on this basis of evidence presented here it appears that this mid-course correction is achieving what it was designed to do. Many early signs herald a shift from military to political conflict, the strengthening of national institutions at the expense of warlords, and a quickening pace and breadth of economic and social development. The success of the recent elections provides early evidence that participatory institutions are possible in this war-torn land. They also suggest that the age of winner-take-all politics may be passing in Afghanistan, bringing an end to the gross and destabilizing regional and ethnic imbalances that characterized the Kabul government between 2002 and 2004.

How did this apparently successful shift in US policy occur? The question is important, not only to an understanding of Afghanistan but also, by implication, in planning what the US should do in other situations, including Iraq. At least seven conclusions can be drawn from this history.

First, from an international perspective it is clear that the new pace and direction of policy in Afghanistan arose mainly as a unilateral move by the American government.  This is not to say that there were not UN and other officials, especially from Britain, who advanced approaches something like those actually adopted. But only the US both had the willingness to take such decisions and the capacity to implement them.  Unilateralism is not always a bad thing.

Second, though initially a solo initiative by the United States, American officials moved quickly to engage Coalition members and UN officials in the project. Thanks to this, international partners are closely coordinated as they implement the program, giving leverage to America’s input of personnel, equipment, and money.

Third, the mid-course correction that is changing the Afghan scene for the better would never have happened had key individuals not brought to the project their insights, decisiveness in taking decisions, and credibility. Specific analysts in several governmental offices and others working outside the government tenaciously promoted the key ideas for fully a year before they found champions at the top.  Among decision makers, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld deserves particular credit, and among administrators the skills of Ambassador Khalilzad and of Lieutenant General Barno have proven indispensable. 

Fourth, the new pace and direction was worked out not by the Pentagon, State Department, or National Security Council acting alone, but through a complex interagency process involving all three entities and others as well. Several participants who have lived through decades of inter-agency squabbles say that they have never before seen the degree of cooperation that was attained in this case by individually proud agencies working together. Needless to say, they all lived by the motto “Change has a hundred fathers (and mothers).”

Fifth, America’s new approach to Afghanistan is solidly based not on nation –building, for the Afghan nation already existed, but state-building. Perhaps it was necessary to go through the protracted period of single-minded focus on crushing al Qaeda and eliminating the Taliban before this new phase could be reached. But in the end, President Bush’s V.M.I. speech about a new Marshall Plan for Afghanistan and all Central Asia laid out a strategy to which the rest of the government eventually came around. This strategy is one of state-building.

Sixth, and arguably most important of all, every aspect of America’s new policy towards Afghanistan has been worked out and executed with the Afghans, rather than being done to them. President Karzai and leading figures of his administrations provided such significant input into the drafting process that it is fair to say that the final document is as much their policy as America’s. During the execution phase this fact casts the US in the role of backing and supporting Afghans rather than leading them.  On this important issue American policy in Afghanistan since 9-11 has been utterly consistent: at no point has the United States aspired or allowed itself to try to govern Afghanistan.

Finally, the successes achieved to date in the implementation of the new policy are due significantly to the fact that all those involved in this delicate process have wherever possible avoided turning temporary opponents into permanent enemies.  Thus, the Kabul government is welcoming former Taliban moderates and inviting them to take civil service jobs and enter the political system. In the same spirit, even as the government is putting warlords out of business, it is offering them face-saving positions, often at surprisingly high levels of status and pay. Thus, when Karzai pushed out the warlord and governor of Kandahar he immediately offered him the post of Minister of Urban Affairs in Kabul. And when he dumped the KGB-trained Mohammad Sawrari from the top post in the National Security Directorate, he invited him to become an advisor to the President without portfolio.

To some extent this marks the reemergence of adroit old Afghan skills that enabled the monarchy to survive for two centuries. It certainly attests to Hamid Karzai’s unique combination of political astuteness and simple decency. The fact that American officials on the ground and in Washington have come to support so subtle and culturally specific a process also says worlds about their ability to master new approaches when faced with the need to do so.
aevans176
QUOTE(Cube Jockey @ Mar 17 2005, 02:40 PM)
Terrorism existed not because the Taliban ruled Afghanistan, terrorism existed because of the conditions in the country.  The Taliban was a product of the poverty, not the cause of it.  The country had few natural resources (as you pointed out), little infrastructure, the people were poor with no opportunities.  When you have that situation, that creates a ripe breeding ground for terrorists to recruit people for their cause.

Bush and his neo-con cronies that cooked up his foreign policy think that simply installing democracies everywhere fixes the problem, they couldn't be more wrong and Afghanistan is proof.


WOW....CJ, the Taliban did not come to power because of natural resources, lack of infrastructure, etc. The Taliban came out of the Russian occupation. Their power came from popular support, as opposed to a lack of gov't intervention. Their origination had nothing to do with the United States at all.

Secondly, Afghanistan's prolonged war forced the country into economic shambles, and allowed groups such as the Taliban to stay in power. When Russia pulled out, the nation had little industry left and a lack of communist financial backing. This is where terrorism came in.

I deplore your attempt at blaming the Taliban on Bush... it's absurd, and as much as I hate this word, very ignorant. The democracy idea is far better than allowing war-lords to run a country. The fact is that the Taliban was simply an arm of a terrorist network funded by Ex-Saudi's, whose disdain for America came predominantly from our economic prowess and capitalist nature. It's hard for Arab fundamentalists to swallow the fact that their wives are shopping in Safeways and driving Fords.

The fact is that the 9/11 attacks were planned long before any "Neo-cons" took office... read a little more about the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. Their hatred is fundamentally based and has nothing... nothing to do with Mr. Bush.
Cube Jockey
QUOTE(aevans176 @ Mar 17 2005, 01:25 PM)
WOW....CJ, the Taliban did not come to power because of natural resources, lack of infrastructure, etc. The Taliban came out of the Russian occupation. Their power came from popular support, as opposed to a lack of gov't intervention. Their origination had nothing to do with the United States at all.
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Please cite where in my post, and I want a direct quote, that I stated that the Taliban was put in power by anything the United States did.

You can't because this is exactly what I said:
QUOTE(Cube Jockey)
Terrorism existed not because the Taliban ruled Afghanistan, terrorism existed because of the conditions in the country. The Taliban was a product of the poverty, not the cause of it. The country had few natural resources (as you pointed out), little infrastructure, the people were poor with no opportunities. When you have that situation, that creates a ripe breeding ground for terrorists to recruit people for their cause.


Go ahead and read that closely because in there I am suggesting that they were able to come to power because of the rampant poverty in the country (and yes that was due to Russia not the United States). You'll notice that in that paragraph I don't say anywhere that the United States or Bush had anything to do with it.

Now, new paragraph. You see, in the english language a new paragraph is used for a new thought. If I had meant to suggest that Bush was responsible for the Taliban I would have stated that in the previous paragraph.
QUOTE(Cube Jockey)
Bush and his neo-con cronies that cooked up his foreign policy think that simply installing democracies everywhere fixes the problem, they couldn't be more wrong and Afghanistan is proof.

Here I'm getting back to refuting the article I cited directly above where Bush suggests that "Afghanistan is no longer a terrorist factory sending thousands of killers into the world." My response to that is that you cannot beat terrorism by simply installing a democracy (a very poor and weak one at that) and heading home.

QUOTE(aevans176)
Secondly, Afghanistan's prolonged war forced the country into economic shambles, and allowed groups such as the Taliban to stay in power. When Russia pulled out, the nation had little industry left and a lack of communist financial backing. This is where terrorism came in.

Exactly what I just said, reading comprehension skills are of utmost importance.

QUOTE(aevans176)
I deplore your attempt at blaming the Taliban on Bush... it's absurd, and as much as I hate this word, very ignorant.

well seeing as how I didn't do that and I just demonstrated that, then perhaps you should deplore yourself for suggesting it? whistling.gif

QUOTE(aevans176)
The fact is that the 9/11 attacks were planned long before any "Neo-cons" took office... read a little more about the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. Their hatred is fundamentally based and has nothing... nothing to do with Mr. Bush.

Again, where in my post did I suggest this? I'd like a direct quote please.
aevans176
QUOTE(Cube Jockey @ Mar 17 2005, 04:38 PM)
Again, where in my post did I suggest this?  I'd like a direct quote please.
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I know you'd like a direct quote... but insinuation is as good or worse.

"Terrorism existed not because the Taliban ruled Afghanistan, terrorism existed because of the conditions in the country. The Taliban was a product of the poverty, not the cause of it. The country had few natural resources (as you pointed out), little infrastructure, the people were poor with no opportunities. When you have that situation, that creates a ripe breeding ground for terrorists to recruit people for their cause.
Bush and his neo-con cronies that cooked up his foreign policy think that simply installing democracies everywhere fixes the problem, they couldn't be more wrong and Afghanistan is proof.
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This was all said in the same breath. It didn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out that you neither understood where the Taliban came from, but that you were playing partisan-politics and bashing the administration (when they were the first to do anything since the Russians left).

Afghanistan is PROOF? Proof of what? The country was poor, still is. Nothing is worse by any means. All the statement was is a poor attempt at republican bashing. The Afghan people are surely not revolting. The US presence is far more welcome than your moveon.org blogs will let you know... I can tell you from first person experience CJ, as I was there....
Cube Jockey
QUOTE(aevans176 @ Mar 17 2005, 02:09 PM)
QUOTE(Cube Jockey @ Mar 17 2005, 04:38 PM)
Again, where in my post did I suggest this?  I'd like a direct quote please.
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I know you'd like a direct quote... but insinuation is as good or worse.

"Terrorism existed not because the Taliban ruled Afghanistan, terrorism existed because of the conditions in the country. The Taliban was a product of the poverty, not the cause of it. The country had few natural resources (as you pointed out), little infrastructure, the people were poor with no opportunities. When you have that situation, that creates a ripe breeding ground for terrorists to recruit people for their cause.
Bush and his neo-con cronies that cooked up his foreign policy think that simply installing democracies everywhere fixes the problem, they couldn't be more wrong and Afghanistan is proof.
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This was all said in the same breath. It didn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out that you neither understood where the Taliban came from, but that you were playing partisan-politics and bashing the administration (when they were the first to do anything since the Russians left).
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Ok aevans, I'm only going to tell you this one more time and then I'm done with it - I was not insinuating any of the things you said in your post - you aren't even close. You can continue railing that you are correct till the cows come home, but that won't make it so and it'll make you look like a fool. You'd be better off just admitting you are wrong and moving on.

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Afghanistan is PROOF? Proof of what? The country was poor, still is. Nothing is worse by any means.

If you had actually read anything I have written in this thread you might see that I have answered this, however I'm betting you saw Taliban in the same general proximity as Bush, made your logical leap and started on a rant.

I'll give you the quick summary version of things - The Bush administration claims that Afghanistan is a shining example of Democracy and a great victory for freedom, he has referred to it that way in every single state of the union address and quite a few speeches.

Now Amlord suggested that we were never there to make the place a utopia, we were there to remove the Taliban and run more or less. In the interest of not misquoting him as you have done me, here is the quote:
QUOTE(Amlord)
We went into Afghanistan to get rid of the fools who were running it into the ground (and foolishly helped Al Qaeda attack the US in the process). We didn't go there to turn it into utopia.


Now in the very next post I showed a few articles which showed Bush making public statements, at the Rose Garden no less, that not only were we going to form a "partnership" (his words) with Afganistan and help them and now all the terrorists were gone and they were free to start anew.

In other words, pretty much the typical Bush foreign policy spiel - we come in and install a Democracy and wham, no more terrorists.

The story which turnea cited in the opening post suggests that the aid promised to Afghanistan just hasn't been delivered.

The "proof" I was referring to was "proof" of the flaws in Bush's cut and run foreign policy. It is a big achievement that we installed a Democracy in Afghanistan (even if it is still stumbling) and is a big achievement that women now have rights there for the first time in a long time. I did and do support our military action there. But as far as saying that the terrorists are long gone, nothing could be further from the truth. If we continue to neglect the duty of building infrastructure there, spending the aid money, helping them with their democracy then in the future they'll end up back in the same place with a new Taliban in charge.

Regardless of what kind of desire the people have for freedom, if they are living in abject poverty with no infrastructure and a weak democracy one of these warlords will eventually take control - it has happened a thousand times in the course of history.

Anyone can go drop some bombs on a country and install a new government, the hard work and the necessary work is to actually spend time rebuilding the country. That simply isn't part of the Bush doctrine apparently as proved by this problem with aid funding.

Now the original questions for debate if you'd care to answer them instead of mischaracterizing my posts and launching into a tirade based on things I neither said nor implied are:
So, why is Afghanistan seeing so little in the way of reconstruction?

What are the "bureaucratic bottlenecks" that hold this up?

Do donors have an obligation to fulfil their pledges?

How can the pace of reconstruction in the country be picked up?

Is Afghanistan of it's way to becoming a functioning, prosperous democracy?
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moif
So, why is Afghanistan seeing so little in the way of reconstruction?

Top marks for this question in the light of the oil war thread turnea. I may not agree with you on much, but I admire your tenaciousness! mrsparkle.gif

So why is Afghanistan seeing so little in the way of reconstruction? I suspect for the dual reason that no one really cares, because, A: Afghanistan is geographically very remote, and B: Because Afghanistan has no oil with which to fuel future development like Iraq has.

I don't agree with the distinction that Afghanistan had nothing to reconstruct. Of course it did. They had homes and schools and hospitals once. You can see plenty of bombed out buildings in Kabul if you watch documentries about that country.

But even so, their former poverty ought to make no difference to any efforts today to help Afghanistan back on its feet.


What are the "bureaucratic bottlenecks" that hold this up?

I have no idea. I can imagine its a question of not having very many educated people on the ground as much as anything else, but I suspect a lethargy on behalf of the donor nations is the real cause.


Do donors have an obligation to fulfil their pledges?

Yes.


How can the pace of reconstruction in the country be picked up?

By an increase in political awareness. If the powers that be (political and media) spent more time examining whats going on in Afghanistan then I'm sure we'd see a faster pace of construction.

...or maybe not. Maybe the reason why the pace is slow is because the Afghan's, like most religious people, are very conservative and don't wish for outsiders to be telling them what to do?

Another problem to consider is the opium trade. So many people in Aghanistan make cash by growing opium for the drugs trade. In order to get the nation back up and running some sort of alternative cash crop has to be introduced otherwise where is the incentive for the farmers to change their ways?


Is Afghanistan of it's way to becoming a functioning, prosperous democracy?

Yes, but its a long gradual process that may fail without continued support from other democracies. We need to keep them going with political and economical aid.



turnea
I think that Mustang did a good job of explaining that US military involvement in Afghanistan is not lacking.

I agree, however it seems to me that it is the economic component of reconstruction that is missing.

...and I think that it is hardly something to lay at the feet of the US alone. There are many nations with unfulfilled pledges.

I think the folk over at Reuters may have spoken to soon when they attempted to examine the investment in Afghanistan as opposed to that in Iraq.

I suspect that the problem is universal in the development world and , like the war, had precious little to do with oil.

The Iraqi government is complaining that it has only received $4bn of a promised $33bn from donor countries.

It seems to me that international development in general is suffering from the attitudes of donors governments. Just like the Millennium Development goals they seem to feel fine with promising money and then refusing to fulfil their pledges.

The media seems to caught up is non-issues like Terry Schiavo or the next national distraction to focus on such issue.

Amlord notes there is no legal obligation for donors to fulfil pledges, perhaps that should be changed...
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